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NobleNick · 10-14-2004, 10:08 AM

All,

I was startled, yesterday, while researching some info on the Bard.

I have known, for a long time, that the "War Chant of the Sith" among other important things, affected the Bard's AC or THAC0 -AND- the enemies' AC or THAC0. I had forgotten which it was (AC or THAC0), and really didn't care: since it makes no difference in the equations whether it's a bonus to your AC or a penalty to enemy THAC0 that determines whether you take a hit. And similar story for whether or not you deliver a hit to the enemy.

Well, I decided I should set my rhetoric straight, for the benefit of those roleplayers who care about whether the benefit/penalty goes to AC or THAC0. The answer is that for the Bard's friends the benefit goes to AC (dropping it by 2 points). I verified, in game, that AC does drop by 2, and there is no affect on friendly THAC0. Based on that revelation, I would expect the song to affect enemy AC (as opposed to THAC0).

Now, here is the surprise: I couldn't find anything in the on-line community that says anything about the War Chant affecting enemy THAC0 or AC! I do not know how to easily verify, in game, that War Chant is affecting monster AC/THAC0; and my instruction manual is not easily accessible because the disks have been packed away for over two years. (I have a "no-CD" fix to my IWD/HoW/TotLM install.) Of the very little material I have found on-line and in this forum. nothing mentions any effect of the Bard's War Chant on enemy stats.

I am stunned. Am I in the Twilight Zone? I know I didn't make this stuff up (about the War Chant affecting the enemy); but I am at a temporary loss to even point to the reason I THINK I am right, much less prove my case. What really surprises me is that I am unable to unearth any extant posts on the subject (other than my own) that reference other sources.

Dundee Slaytern, you, the Great Oracle Of IWD Knowledge, are the only one left who frequents this forum who was also here doling out flawless data when I was a plebe. Help me now, Mr. Wizard: What's the story on the effect of War Chant on the enemy's stats?

Anyone else, who knows how to unquestionably verify the affect of this Bard's song (i.e. you have deep and excellent IWD game experience and a very good memory, or are using a game editor/parser), please speak up.

Thank you.

--------------------
What's a party,
without a song?
Bards ROCK!
Party On!!

10-14-2004, 10:08 AM	#1
NobleNick Quintesson Join Date: February 5, 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Age: 65 Posts: 1,045	All, I was startled, yesterday, while researching some info on the Bard. I have known, for a long time, that the "War Chant of the Sith" among other important things, affected the Bard's AC or THAC0 -AND- the enemies' AC or THAC0. I had forgotten which it was (AC or THAC0), and really didn't care: since it makes no difference in the equations whether it's a bonus to your AC or a penalty to enemy THAC0 that determines whether you take a hit. And similar story for whether or not you deliver a hit to the enemy. Well, I decided I should set my rhetoric straight, for the benefit of those roleplayers who care about whether the benefit/penalty goes to AC or THAC0. The answer is that for the Bard's friends the benefit goes to AC (dropping it by 2 points). I verified, in game, that AC does drop by 2, and there is no affect on friendly THAC0. Based on that revelation, I would expect the song to affect enemy AC (as opposed to THAC0). Now, here is the surprise: I couldn't find anything in the on-line community that says anything about the War Chant affecting enemy THAC0 or AC! I do not know how to easily verify, in game, that War Chant is affecting monster AC/THAC0; and my instruction manual is not easily accessible because the disks have been packed away for over two years. (I have a "no-CD" fix to my IWD/HoW/TotLM install.) Of the very little material I have found on-line and in this forum. nothing mentions any effect of the Bard's War Chant on enemy stats. I am stunned. Am I in the Twilight Zone? I know I didn't make this stuff up (about the War Chant affecting the enemy); but I am at a temporary loss to even point to the reason I THINK I am right, much less prove my case. What really surprises me is that I am unable to unearth any extant posts on the subject (other than my own) that reference other sources. Dundee Slaytern, you, the Great Oracle Of IWD Knowledge, are the only one left who frequents this forum who was also here doling out flawless data when I was a plebe. Help me now, Mr. Wizard: What's the story on the effect of War Chant on the enemy's stats? Anyone else, who knows how to unquestionably verify the affect of this Bard's song (i.e. you have deep and excellent IWD game experience and a very good memory, or are using a game editor/parser), please speak up. Thank you. -------------------- What's a party, without a song? Bards ROCK! Party On!!