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NobleNick · 10-20-2003, 04:00 PM

kartetse,

Yours are not the choices I'd make; but I can't deny the logic presented above: It seems as though you have a viable party mix. In addition to everything else said, the high saving throws on the Paladins make them good, magic-resistant front line fighters and tanks.

Abjuration spells are the ones I use least; BUT your Specialist's school is not nearly as important as their opposition school. (Remember, when you pick a school, you are really picking the opposition schools; since a Necromancer has no advantage over, say an Abjuror, in memorizing a Necromancy spell.) A table of the opposition schools for HoW and Pre-HoW can be found here: http://noctalis.com/dis/icewind/lvl-m.shtml .

Example: I almost made the mistake of picking a Conjuror as my single specialist Mage, since I wanted to be able to summon monsters, but the Conjuror's opposition school is Evocation (a.k.a. Invocation) which includes almost the complete set of really useful offensive spells (like Fireball!). I picked an Illusionist instead, who could conjure just as well as any Conjuror, but also kept the Evocation spells as well. My Illusionist loses Abjuration (which, since I believe in the best defense being a good offense, I don't give a rip about) and Necromancy (the only thing that really hurts here is Skull Trap). I always travel with a Bard or another DC Fighter/Mage with mage school selected such that between the two Mages, all schools are covered.

The Abjuror's opposition schools (assuming HoW is installed) are Illusion and Alteration, which means you lose such useful spells as Dimension Door, Blur, Mirror Image, Invisibility, and Improved Invisibility; but you can still summon meat shields (very important and oft used defensive spell), throw Fireballs and Magic Missiles (an offensive Mage's meat and potatoes), set Skull Traps (a very useful offensive and defensive spell) and cast all the other neat Evocation spells like Ice, Acid, etc. Storms. So, looks like you're set!

What's a party,
Without a song?
Bard's ROCK!
Party On!!

[ 10-20-2003, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: NobleNick ]

10-20-2003, 04:00 PM	#8
NobleNick Quintesson Join Date: February 5, 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL, USA Age: 65 Posts: 1,045	kartetse, Yours are not the choices I'd make; but I can't deny the logic presented above: It seems as though you have a viable party mix. In addition to everything else said, the high saving throws on the Paladins make them good, magic-resistant front line fighters and tanks. Abjuration spells are the ones I use least; BUT your Specialist's school is not nearly as important as their opposition school. (Remember, when you pick a school, you are really picking the opposition schools; since a Necromancer has no advantage over, say an Abjuror, in memorizing a Necromancy spell.) A table of the opposition schools for HoW and Pre-HoW can be found here: http://noctalis.com/dis/icewind/lvl-m.shtml . Example: I almost made the mistake of picking a Conjuror as my single specialist Mage, since I wanted to be able to summon monsters, but the Conjuror's opposition school is Evocation (a.k.a. Invocation) which includes almost the complete set of really useful offensive spells (like Fireball!). I picked an Illusionist instead, who could conjure just as well as any Conjuror, but also kept the Evocation spells as well. My Illusionist loses Abjuration (which, since I believe in the best defense being a good offense, I don't give a rip about) and Necromancy (the only thing that really hurts here is Skull Trap). I always travel with a Bard or another DC Fighter/Mage with mage school selected such that between the two Mages, all schools are covered. The Abjuror's opposition schools (assuming HoW is installed) are Illusion and Alteration, which means you lose such useful spells as Dimension Door, Blur, Mirror Image, Invisibility, and Improved Invisibility; but you can still summon meat shields (very important and oft used defensive spell), throw Fireballs and Magic Missiles (an offensive Mage's meat and potatoes), set Skull Traps (a very useful offensive and defensive spell) and cast all the other neat Evocation spells like Ice, Acid, etc. Storms. So, looks like you're set! What's a party, Without a song? Bard's ROCK! Party On!! [ 10-20-2003, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: NobleNick ]