[Whailor]

Heh, it's amusing to read the comments from Tanoch Thas'ala. Like "If there is any such men" or "It is very amusing to me to read that what appear to be males posting in this particular thread are posting about rape when they have no idea what Rape really is other than what they see in the news". How typical - if someone is a male, then they obviously have no idea about your 'female fragile world' and it's issues, that when someone is a male then they are immediately afar from the life, stumbling in the dark like children, being totally clueless about all this stuff. You're probably the person who's view on males then is like "they're all pigs, they're the cause of all the bad, they're totally clueless about anything"? And you being a female makes you understand everything so well and judge everyone else because of that? Make you assume right away that only you and you have any clues about anything because of that, and all what these "males" are posting is some 'speculation and clueless guesses from their side'? Let me summon all what I think about these claims of yours with a single, well understandable, easy word: BLAAAH!

English is not my native language, so I don't know all these fancy words in english, what I would like to use perhaps. So because of that my posts may lack some eloquent thoughts or are not formed as well, to please and make these more understandable to everyone. It doesn't mean that I don't know what I say. I agree in this topic with Gabriel and Tancred. Tancred put my thoughts into words quite well. There is saying that everyone will see things as they WANT to see them. In my eyes, there are significally more ways to 'break' someone's spirit, excluding the rape. There was significally more ways to 'use' someone, excluding the rape. In my eyes I never saw that the dryads were raped by Irenicus, as is posted here - there are much more different ways Irenicus could have used them. Same with Imoen, to break her spirit. These never occured to me, not because I am a 'male' and have so 'narrow view'. On the contrary - because I am a male, maybe, I saw actually much more possible ways to use someone or torture, without raping them. It looks like it's the female 'narrow' point of view actually, which immediately defaults the the point that "when a male wants to (ab)use a woman, he will always rape her". That Irenicus wants to break Imoen's spirit, which immediately means that he raped her. That Irenicus wanted the dryads to inspire the love so he immediately raped them. That he created two dozens of clones to rape them. That's outright silly and a very narrow point of view. You see what you WANT to see. There is no movie sequence in the game where Irenicus puts his arm around Imoen. There is no such animation even in the game. Irenicus has only 3 animations, literally - stand, walk, cast spells. So now suddenly, because the animations make the chars stand in a weird way, and due to some occasional sprite overlapping, it is assumed that Irenicus held his arm around Imoen? He didn't. There is no such animation, but again, people see what they WANT to see.

I also agree with Tancred that this is a game. Fantasy game. People play it to escape from the real life a bit, to be a hero or heroine (hmm, that sounds like a drug.. what's the better word?). Also a small reason is to spend some time, but it's a small reason and secondary - there are easier, cheaper and much more effective ways to spend some time. So I just cannot understand, why is still needed to drag all the real life filth into the game as well? Isn't there enough of it in the real life, that there should be more of it in the game? So now people want to have love between women in the game.. OK, make this script. Soon someone probably wants to have the male-to-male romance as well. What, Anoment with Korgan then? Wonder what ideas will be next. I mean there already are romances between male main char and NPC female chars, main female char and NPC male chars (I admit though that the only romance option here isn't that good, someone should really work perhaps on Valygar romance as it was intended, maybe some additional as well). So soon we will have the romance between family members? Also between female chars. What's left then? Love between male chars too, and we will have the game just as the real world, with all the stuff we have here and all the stuff we perhaps try to escape from, when starting to play the game.

DISCLAIMER: As I have stated though few times, these are my opinions. You don't have to agree to these, as you certainly have your own. I see that there are few who share my point of vew, and there are few who share your point of view, Galadria. And of course there are people with whom we all have the same point of view. Perfectly natural. You want to make this script, and I am sure that all this hard work will pay off and the script will be made. Definately many will try it out too, why not. I respect the effort you and your friend put into it, I respect any work well done. The fact that I disagree on many points doesn't mean that would want to hinder the "project" as such - no. As I said, I respect the work as such and also the opinions of others. The fact that I will not play it, as in my eyes it "doesn't fit into BG fantasy world" doesn't mean that it shouldn't be done. That's the good thing with the add-on's: you can download them and play, and you also may not. And while I will not use that script, I will give any technical advise when I can or know.

And Tanoch Thas'ala - please don't start here the "males don't have a clue about anything" thing - you're totally off regarding this, as off as anyone can ever be and remarks like this will simply get ignored eventually. These are amusing to read, but the fun will run out eventually.

[ 02-21-2002: Message edited by: Whailor ]