I agree with Gabriel. There's no doubt that Jon is a bastard and all that, but as Gabriel also said, his goal is to "lit" the Bhaalspawn fire in Imoen, who wasn't even aware that she is a Bhaalspawn. Sorry but rape would be last thing which would "light" the spirit up. If anything it would only douse it. What is sure is that he did "tests" with all of the peope there, by killing someone or something, looking at their reactions; cutting bodies and looking again and something gave Imoen away. Minsc is pretty straightforward and it was probably clear pretty soon that he has nothing to do with Bhaal. The main char was a clear example and Jon was testing his/her limits. He knew that the main char is a Bhaalspawn and also pretty "powerful" in his way. So he saved him/her for himself.
Tests with others were probably just that, tests, so it probably came as a somewhat surprise to Jon that Imoen apparently appeared to be the Bhaalspawn too. So, she was just the bonus to Bodhi. Being the undead (vampire) Bodhi already extended her life, but she also lost the goals what Irenicus had. Goals as such are tied to soul and she didn't have any. Irenicus saw that and did not turn into undead, but continued his "search". I suppose that if Imoen wouldn't come along and would not have been a Bhaalspawn, Irenicus wouldn't even care about the future of his sister - Bodhi. He would have taken your soul, try to ascend and become a god, and then forget those he doesn't need. So yeah, he's an evil bastard but he's not a fool. Well, he did underestimate the main char heh.. In any case, all the dialogues refer to torturing Imoen with visions of death and horrors and of course, with real death scenes as well, not to mention with some spells to try to alter the mind and perhaps few "nukes" too to "test the limits" as well as raise the anger and hatred. But nothing points to rape as such. That wouldn't exactly 'lit the spirit with flames', would suppress probably more.
As for you, Lucifer Lord of imps, watch your temper. The whole point of posting this topic by Galadria is to get the opinion of the people. If she or her friend would make it just for themselves, they wouldn't announce it. It's also perfectly clear that there will never be a total consensus regarding the topic - people are simply different. So she and some more people think that Irenicus raped Imoen and want to add this to the story - no one tells that they cannot. I and Gabriel and some don't think that he did it - not because he was "not so bad", no, because it wouldn't simply serve his goal - so what, it's our right. For most of the parties it's still clear that Irenicus was a bastard, on that agree I, Gabriel, Galadria and many more. But again, not all, some may not think so. And so what, it's their right. It was even posted about the game developers about Irenicus: "Who knows his true means or goals, he was and remained a mystery to all". It can be seen in one of the articles posted on GameBanshee (or at least mentioned there). As I said to Anomen once in the game - if you don't have anything useful to say, then just shut up. Come to think of it, I said so to Aerie and Viconia too heh. Not to Jaheira though, she's a totally different gal
[ 02-20-2002: Message edited by: Whailor ]