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Eldoran · 12-12-2001, 11:31 PM

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Originally posted by toriuxik:
Of course, even if you are using stoneskin, elemental damage still gets through. Yep, that 10 damage from the FotA gets to hit you still. Cleric can gate in a Pit Fiend pretty darn fast. Thats quite a distraction.

I don't think daemon summons are all that useful, since it cannot be controlled.... I think we can all agree that NPC melee AI is pretty cruddy.

OR AS I SAID BEFORE, CLERIC COULD USE ANTIMAGIC SCROLL AND THE MAGE CAN'T DO ****. Its all circumstance.

Then the mage summons whatever he likes to melee you, or does it himself with tensers, some of the nice staves, and spells like MMM or energy blades... The scrolls of Protection from Magic leave a cleric helpless... All they can do then is use items.

Mages aren't more flexible, as they have to know whats coming more than clerics do. You can't give a mage a contingency without having given the cleric time to cast spells before the fight as well, and say the cleric gates in 6 or 7 pit fiends and beefs them up? Your mage won't last very long against all that (send them in 1 at a time to make you waste your horid wiltings ect).

I agree, but you CAN actually memorize several different spells per spell level... And sorcerers always have a choice of any spells they know of the particular level. I personally know that I could handle 7 pit fiends, and then a cleric... And I would only have to use one level 7 spell to do it too

It is obvious, that since we can both find a circumstance when the other would win, that neither is more powerful.

I agree, both are very powerful.. So are ranger, thieves, bards... Every class is powerful. What people don't seem to understand is POWER DOES NOT EQUAL PVP ABILITY!

I agree, lets end the bickering part.

Darn right, no more bickering... That is, when people stop trying to refute the obvious truth that mages are better than clerics in PvP... Not PvM, not any other situation... but set them against each other, and in BG2: ToB, the mage will beat the cleric.

12-12-2001, 11:31 PM	#68
Eldoran Dungeon Master Join Date: December 4, 2001 Location: Home Posts: 96	quote: Originally posted by toriuxik: Of course, even if you are using stoneskin, elemental damage still gets through. Yep, that 10 damage from the FotA gets to hit you still. Cleric can gate in a Pit Fiend pretty darn fast. Thats quite a distraction. I don't think daemon summons are all that useful, since it cannot be controlled.... I think we can all agree that NPC melee AI is pretty cruddy. OR AS I SAID BEFORE, CLERIC COULD USE ANTIMAGIC SCROLL AND THE MAGE CAN'T DO . Its all circumstance. Then the mage summons whatever he likes to melee you, or does it himself with tensers, some of the nice staves, and spells like MMM or energy blades... The scrolls of Protection from Magic leave a cleric helpless... All they can do then is use items. Mages aren't more flexible, as they have to know whats coming more than clerics do. You can't give a mage a contingency without having given the cleric time to cast spells before the fight as well, and say the cleric gates in 6 or 7 pit fiends and beefs them up? Your mage won't last very long against all that (send them in 1 at a time to make you waste your horid wiltings ect). I agree, but you CAN actually memorize several different spells per spell level... And sorcerers always have a choice of any spells they know of the particular level. I personally know that I could handle 7 pit fiends, and then a cleric... And I would only have to use one level 7 spell to do it too It is obvious, that since we can both find a circumstance when the other would win, that neither is more powerful. I agree, both are very powerful.. So are ranger, thieves, bards... Every class is powerful. What people don't seem to understand is POWER DOES NOT EQUAL PVP ABILITY! I agree, lets end the bickering part. Darn right, no more bickering... That is, when people stop trying to refute the obvious truth that mages are better than clerics in PvP... Not PvM, not any other situation... but set them against each other, and in BG2: ToB, the mage will beat the cleric.