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Worm · 12-12-2001, 04:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Yggdrasil:
This is going nowhere.

Ladies and gentlemen the first half-way true thing said in this arguement.

quote:
Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern:
I hated to do this, but so be it. By the way, Cloak of Non-Detection does work against True Sight, if yours does not, then you got a bug.

Contingency: Spell Immunity

Chain Contingency: Protection from Magical Weapons, Stoneskin, True Sight

Both set to cast on self when enemy sighted.

Equipment:
----------

Armour: Robe of the Good/Evil/Neutral Magi
Gloves: Anything
Helmet: Anything
Amulet: Amulet of Power
Rings: Ring of Free Action, Ring of the Ram
Cloak: Cloak of Non-Detection
Boots: Boots of Speed
Belt: Anything

Weapon: Staff of Magi

The moment you go hostile, there is nothing that you can do but wait and die... or run away.

You SHOULD use the robe of Vecna.

Your assuming the mage and cleric both know the battle is coming otherwise the cleric would probably have all healing spells memorized a few attack spells and a bit of summoning. The mage would probably have time stop no contingencies and probably a spell sequencer. Say I come in invisible and attack close range you have the abi's horrid withering on your trigger your dead(Clerics get boots of speed too) if you have spell immunity as a trigger your dead if you have the detect invis trigger on how would you know to cast it? How would the cleric know how to cast invisibility. I'll say this mages are more powerful in a clean cut you know what your fighting big open field battle that is what makes them great suppourt characters the awesome power they have. Clerics they a great at keeping things glued together they have pretty much every type of spell and summoning to even out numbers in a pinch that is what makes them great suppourt characters. Your arguing this as if it were BG2 which is wrong BG2 would depend on the circumstance.

Now D&D a powerful Mage and a Cleric fighting that would be worth arguing the cleric could have a manner of extra powers such as but not limited to his god's favor, holy relics, and more clerical spells. As the mage could have much more too! But in the end every battle is on circumstance and circumstance alone. My dwarven warrior gulvak probably could clean the floor with a mage just because he is gulvak he had like -6 saving throws vs death 0 vs magic he is just a cool character not to mention with gauntlets of blinding strike he would of been at your mage first and boom it is over. BUT you mage might have the immunity your mage might be prepared for a thieives backstab attack and have no contingencies for weapon immunity rather true sight. This is why it is circumstance ... it only matters on the occasion sure mages are better in clerics in alot of way but they still need the enemy to be totally known they need to not be in a small area due to abi's horrid withering. Clerics are great in a pinch because they double for a fighter and well tensers transformation is well and good it still takes time to cast!

Just stop it guys this isn't going to go anywhere.

12-12-2001, 04:07 PM	#65
Worm The Magister Join Date: December 2, 2001 Location: PA Posts: 114	quote: Originally posted by Yggdrasil: This is going nowhere. Ladies and gentlemen the first half-way true thing said in this arguement. quote: Originally posted by Dundee Slaytern: I hated to do this, but so be it. By the way, Cloak of Non-Detection does work against True Sight, if yours does not, then you got a bug. Contingency: Spell Immunity Chain Contingency: Protection from Magical Weapons, Stoneskin, True Sight Both set to cast on self when enemy sighted. Equipment: ---------- Armour: Robe of the Good/Evil/Neutral Magi Gloves: Anything Helmet: Anything Amulet: Amulet of Power Rings: Ring of Free Action, Ring of the Ram Cloak: Cloak of Non-Detection Boots: Boots of Speed Belt: Anything Weapon: Staff of Magi The moment you go hostile, there is nothing that you can do but wait and die... or run away. You SHOULD use the robe of Vecna. Your assuming the mage and cleric both know the battle is coming otherwise the cleric would probably have all healing spells memorized a few attack spells and a bit of summoning. The mage would probably have time stop no contingencies and probably a spell sequencer. Say I come in invisible and attack close range you have the abi's horrid withering on your trigger your dead(Clerics get boots of speed too) if you have spell immunity as a trigger your dead if you have the detect invis trigger on how would you know to cast it? How would the cleric know how to cast invisibility. I'll say this mages are more powerful in a clean cut you know what your fighting big open field battle that is what makes them great suppourt characters the awesome power they have. Clerics they a great at keeping things glued together they have pretty much every type of spell and summoning to even out numbers in a pinch that is what makes them great suppourt characters. Your arguing this as if it were BG2 which is wrong BG2 would depend on the circumstance. Now D&D a powerful Mage and a Cleric fighting that would be worth arguing the cleric could have a manner of extra powers such as but not limited to his god's favor, holy relics, and more clerical spells. As the mage could have much more too! But in the end every battle is on circumstance and circumstance alone. My dwarven warrior gulvak probably could clean the floor with a mage just because he is gulvak he had like -6 saving throws vs death 0 vs magic he is just a cool character not to mention with gauntlets of blinding strike he would of been at your mage first and boom it is over. BUT you mage might have the immunity your mage might be prepared for a thieives backstab attack and have no contingencies for weapon immunity rather true sight. This is why it is circumstance ... it only matters on the occasion sure mages are better in clerics in alot of way but they still need the enemy to be totally known they need to not be in a small area due to abi's horrid withering. Clerics are great in a pinch because they double for a fighter and well tensers transformation is well and good it still takes time to cast! Just stop it guys this isn't going to go anywhere.