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Originally posted by SixOfSpades: Apart from the fact that it makes the gameplay more logical, because she's stronger (not counting cheese, of course) without it. In my conquest of the dungeon, Imoen died twice. (Thankfully, she was the only one.) If she had been wearing the Belt, I would have had no Wizard spells for the entire 2nd half of my stay--and I'd have had to give up 1/5th of the loot we lugged out of the dungeon.

Loot can't be a real reason to change something so fundamental to the original game. In the same line of your argument [the player knowing what happens to Imoen already] you could argue that the player should also know what happens to Imoen once she hits that crucial 1 HP. Same thing, other perspective.
On the other hand, I can imagine that going through the dungeon without a decent spellcaster (can't remember when I last saw Jaheira entangle someone to death, but we'll get to that later) is quite hard, especially with the Improved Ilyich goons walking around.

Hmmmm.....I'd always interpreted the explosion as collapsing the passage through which you leave the dungeon, not the dungeon itself. In Waukeen's, we see that the crater has a blast radius of about 25 feet. We can hardly expect it to have done more damage in solid rock than in a hollow structure, so the most amount of damage it could have done inside is to take out that rickety rope bridge. As for Denisovich, the only real Thiefy-type character that sprung to mind was the cetral figue in One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich, by (watch me butcher the name) Aleksandr Solzenietzhin. Ivan is a prisoner in a gulag, and one of the climaxes of his day is that he tries to smuggle a broken hacksaw blade back to the dormitories to use as a tool. Who is this Piotr you mention? (Idle thought: That wasn't Tchaikovsky's first name was it? We might not be able to use Tchaikovsky anyway, I think he predated the Revolution.)

The explosion was of some power to say at the least. As we know it made the tunnel collapse, and although I have to admit that the game does not tell you the exact truth of what happens with the dungeon below, my imagination always told me that the whole of the dungeon either turned into a pile of rubble or was so utterly damaged that you could't travel through or to it anymore.
Again, on the other hand, if you make your story plausible enough (which is a necessity if I might say so) then I don't foresee any grave problems with the mod. It would be a nice tweak to be honest, especially with the names and all. Piotr was indeed Tchaikovsky's first name, his FULL name being Piotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. I trust you to see both reasons for me to suggest the name "Piotr". Solzhenitsyn (forgive for raping his name as well; he's a great writer of his time) and his Gulag Archipel are of course known to me, as is Denisovich. If you want to stay focussed on the Revolution (after all, Lenin was a 'Ilyich' as well), then that name [Denisovich] would be better suited indeed, and I would advise you to change Tchaikovsky's name into Lev (or you could go for Stachanov, but he had nothing to do with the Revolution in '17). I trust you know both names

Really? I got the idea that the party had already been incarcerated for around a week or so. I mean, Jon has to make some incisions in Imoen, place a mental dagger in her head, dissect Khalid in front of her, go kill some Shadow Thieves, come back, torture you, go kill some more Shadow Thieves, and he's only one guy with two hands. I'd give him an estimated four days for all of that, six if he's a union man. And you think Jaheira wouldn't have thought of getting out? What, are you nuts? She's just going to sit there and die slowly while her legs turn gangrenous from immobility? This is Jaheira we're talking about, not Aerie.

Touché, you’ve got a very valid point. The party must have been in their cells for some time before they managed to escape. This gives a window of opportunity to rearrange Jaheira’s spells (a much needed move! – I don’t think I have to mention the entangling bit again ). After all we don’t know what happened to Jaheira other than that she didn’t know what happened to Khalid (who wasn’t dissected in front of her, but in front of Imoen [img]graemlins/nono.gif[/img] ).

I agree, but since all Thieving skills are redistruibuted upon transferring to BG2 anyway, only a fool would have kept anything in Pick Pockets. And hey, even with 0 points invested in the skill, she still has a score of 25%--conceivably enough to snag a few quills from sleepy acolytes, and she was caught frequently. Besides, if we're going to remain strictly true to BG1 here, she'd have gotten only 20 Thieving points per level, instead of BG2's 25.

Alright, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. I have rambled on enough anyway

[ 08-25-2004, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: Link ]