12-01-2003, 08:15 PM
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Join Date: May 17, 2001
Location: San Antonio, Texas, USA
Age: 54
Posts: 2,069
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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
Classes don't cause cheese.
Cheesy players, who abuse certain classes, cause cheese.
(Caveat to Statement 2: Different classes have different standards of "abuse." For example, even installing the Overbalanced Shapeshifter falls under "abuse.")
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Amen.
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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
Well, I look at the trade-off in this manner:
Ranger Archer: Is able to Stealth and cast 3 spells from Druid Levels 1-3. Cannot Dual-class.
Fighter Archer: Can place 2 stars in melee weapons. Can Dual to Cleric, Druid, Thief or Mage.
Now, I consider that fair. But, you see, there's more:
Fighter Archer: Can achieve Grandmastery in Sling and Darts.
This unbalances the Fighter/Ranger scale. But I don't blame Weimer at all for this: It's a weakness of the way the Ranger kit was implemented, since they should have had Slings and Darts as well.
But, this I can blame Weimer for:
Fighter Archer: Levels up at the rate of a Fighter, yet gains skills at the same rate (per level) as a Ranger Archer, thus getting a better THAC0 and more Called Shots & HLAs.
If I were Weimer, I would slow the Generic Archer's Archer-kit bonuses down just a tad, so that a Ranger Archer and a Generic Archer's THAC0 will be as equal as possible throughout the game. There's nothing to be done about the HLAs, though.
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Maybe add slings and darts to the ranger archer, then take away called shot for the fighter archer? That might make it more balanced.
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Originally posted by SixOfSpades:
So....you would have Ranger/Clerics have Cleric levels 1-7, and Druid levels 1-3, is that it? Or are you objecting to the two sides of the Priest scroll being combined at all?
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The first one. That's how it would work in PnP; they would be able to cast the few druid spells that they got before they dual-classed, and cast whichever cleric spells they earn from there. However, the only real way to do this in BG might be to separate the "spell books" into cleric and druid books (like the priest and mage ones do currently).
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