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Sparhawk · 07-26-2011, 03:55 PM

Andersonic was his name yes - Just got home from a 13 hour trip with my dad to see some cliffs in the southern part of Denmark so I am a bit tired but....IW calls hehe

Luxury prison: I do not think there is a lot of luxury for him - the links you have seen and so on are for prisoners in rehabilitation which nobody wants for him anyway. I know from media comments and the police in Norway that he has been refused access to a labtop, and internet use ( that is normally denied for dangerous prisoners ) a TV is always made available ( but that has also been denied for now ) - The use of TV will be made available though once he has been sentenced at least.

Now many people say luxury - I tend to think of it in this way.

There are two kinds of prisoners in our systems.

1. Rehabilitating people - it is the people that we have a chance to send back into society without risk, and with a minimum of damage to them.
2. The tards that just doesn't get it - it is the people that rehabilitation does not work on and as such is not suitable for society. These people should be locked away and most often they are. However - since we ( in most of Europe ) are humanists that believe that even the worst kind of prisoner deserves a humane treatment then he will get basic needs fulfilled.

Now in the US. the belief seems to be that a cage of see-through plastic is good enough so no privacy, no rehabilitation and definably not the way to do things if you want to turn the villain from crime - why?
Because when you treat people inhumanely they tend to be grouchy - and next time the guy commits a crime he will do anything to get away from being jailed - and with a non-existing gunlaw ---> mayhem.

I saw a dude in the news that actually said that the norwegian kids were tards that did not try to bonk the killer on the head while he was pausing in shooting - as he told it any american kid would have killed the guy outright as he started shooting and as much as he may find the humor in the situation - that remark was so cold and brutal that many people in Denmark protested loudly against it. Looking at pure numbers his statement is further totally idiotic and it makes a very convincing argument about how come gun control ( or rather...the need to take away the guns from ordinary people ) are needed.

Fact:

Gun related kills in USA each year 15.22 per 100.000 inhabitants.
With a population of 308,745,538 people this makes for 46.990 deaths each year.
About 128,7 deaths a day in the entire country.

Gun related kills in Norway each year 4,39 per 100.000 inhabitants.
With a population of 4,974,600 people this makes for 218 deaths each year.
About 0,59 deaths a day in the entire country.

Source is wikipedia on population scale and the 1993 Krug investigation on gun deaths in the world.

07-26-2011, 03:55 PM	#27
Sparhawk Quintesson Join Date: June 2, 2001 Location: In the oldest monarchy - Denmark Age: 46 Posts: 1,071	Re: Norway killings Andersonic was his name yes - Just got home from a 13 hour trip with my dad to see some cliffs in the southern part of Denmark so I am a bit tired but....IW calls hehe Luxury prison: I do not think there is a lot of luxury for him - the links you have seen and so on are for prisoners in rehabilitation which nobody wants for him anyway. I know from media comments and the police in Norway that he has been refused access to a labtop, and internet use ( that is normally denied for dangerous prisoners ) a TV is always made available ( but that has also been denied for now ) - The use of TV will be made available though once he has been sentenced at least. Now many people say luxury - I tend to think of it in this way. There are two kinds of prisoners in our systems. 1. Rehabilitating people - it is the people that we have a chance to send back into society without risk, and with a minimum of damage to them. 2. The tards that just doesn't get it - it is the people that rehabilitation does not work on and as such is not suitable for society. These people should be locked away and most often they are. However - since we ( in most of Europe ) are humanists that believe that even the worst kind of prisoner deserves a humane treatment then he will get basic needs fulfilled. Now in the US. the belief seems to be that a cage of see-through plastic is good enough so no privacy, no rehabilitation and definably not the way to do things if you want to turn the villain from crime - why? Because when you treat people inhumanely they tend to be grouchy - and next time the guy commits a crime he will do anything to get away from being jailed - and with a non-existing gunlaw ---> mayhem. I saw a dude in the news that actually said that the norwegian kids were tards that did not try to bonk the killer on the head while he was pausing in shooting - as he told it any american kid would have killed the guy outright as he started shooting and as much as he may find the humor in the situation - that remark was so cold and brutal that many people in Denmark protested loudly against it. Looking at pure numbers his statement is further totally idiotic and it makes a very convincing argument about how come gun control ( or rather...the need to take away the guns from ordinary people ) are needed. Fact: Gun related kills in USA each year 15.22 per 100.000 inhabitants. With a population of 308,745,538 people this makes for 46.990 deaths each year. About 128,7 deaths a day in the entire country. Gun related kills in Norway each year 4,39 per 100.000 inhabitants. With a population of 4,974,600 people this makes for 218 deaths each year. About 0,59 deaths a day in the entire country. Source is wikipedia on population scale and the 1993 Krug investigation on gun deaths in the world. __________________ "Between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the rise of the sons of Arius. There was an age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world. Hither came Conan, the cimmarian, sword in hand. It is I, his chronicler who knows well his saga. Now let me tell you of the days of high adventure!" "Unleash the Casey!" "Make no mistake, should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be looking at an outcome that will have a finality, that is beyound your comprehension. And you will not counting the days or the months or the years, but milleniums in a place with no doors!"