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My response was that Obama is not as polished and smooth when he has to go off queue. There are several videos of this on Youtube as well
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See that now looks different to what you originally said, so we now agree here, since the majority of people will not be flawless when speaking without help. My point was, with or without help, GWB was terrible at it.
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I specifically mentioned the meetings at which Obama appears.
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He did some town hall meetings too.
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When 85% of the car works, it is not so messed up that it needs to be trashed to fix the other 15%....
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See, this speaks to the reason we are debating this. I feel it is a disconnect to say that 85% of the joke that passes for healthcare in the US, actually works.
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I've just given you one example of propoganda used by the pro health care side.
And I do know someone who died in Germany while waiting for surgery....
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How was that an example of propaganda on the pro health care reform side..?
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One of my classmates has family in different Euro countries. Her sister lives in Holland. She developed a very rare and extremely dangerous type of hernia. She went to her doctor and was told that hernia repair was cosmetic surgery and unnecessary, therefore it was not covered by the national health plan. And, unlike some other Euro countries, Holland does not have a private insurance option. It is national health care - period. (at least it was at the time of this incident). So she was told point blank she could not have her hernia repaired in Holland. She made arrangements to have the surgery in England at her own expense. The surgeon did not perform the surgery correctly and she ended up in just as bad a condition as before.
The mother of these girls lives in England. When she went to the hospital with a heart attack, she was told she needed an EKG to determine how much damage may have been done to her heart. She did receive the EKG - nine months later! Meanwhile, EKGs are a routine part any ER visit in America for heart or breathing problems.
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There's alot of stuff tied into there, this story is and would be an ideal "scary story" but for that fact that some of it is untrue and some of it is odd or rare in the events contained within. Some quick points.
For one, Holland, like all countries, has its own private hopspitals and doctors and surgeons. It always has. Anyone willing to pay would find one. Nobody is forced to stick by the free version. Dunno where this happend unless it was decades ago..? Odd.
"Surgeon in England performed the surgery wrong and left in a worse condition". May well have happend. Happens everywhere. Ironically, the US has one of the worst medical malpractice ratings and this is why they had to enact laws capping the amount an american could sue their doctor for. But yeah, fux ups happen everywhere - unfortunate fact of life. Less in Britain though, compared to the US.
9 month EKG when visiting the ER. Odd, I know someone who got one and a slew of other tests in the British ER just recently. and very promptly. Either this is not the whole truth (i.e. something we don't know here) or it wasn't actually an emergency. Nowhere in Britain will tell you to go away for almost a year until your "emergency" can be addressed. Please. This is the stuff that feeds the stupid people in these protests. What country would stand for this level of healthcare if it was true?
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Totally and completely wrong. In fact, hospitals cannot refuse treatment based on the patient's ability to pay. It is against the law to do so.
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Unfortunately, no. While yes, there are laws enacted to ensure nobody gets refused, they don't work in practice as well as they should. ER cases do work, for the most part. I mean, you will get rushed to hospital and charged up the ass later. But, non-emergency cases all too often get refused, because they have no insurance. Homeless people are turned away, poor people are asked to leave. Haven't you ever heard of the practice of "floating" a patient? It means when someone doesn't have insurance and the doctors know they can't pay, but they try to do a good thing and let them freeload off the system for awhile, so they can get the treatment they need. This is from the doctor's heart, but it is against their hospitals official policy. Then, different states have different laws, many have found loopholes to rake in the highest amount of profit with the least amount of work.