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Originally Posted by Illumina Drathiran'ar
I think one needs to draw a distinction between using the CLUA console and such to make the game less tedious at times, and using "legal" exploits that I would consider cheating.
For example, I tend to be a sticker about stats. Putting more points into critical stats is one thing- after all, one wouldn't expect someone with a Strength of 9 and a Constitution of 11 to be the warrior type. And nobody's going to study magery with an Intelligence of 12.
However, I for one consider a Charisma of less than 8 to be cheating. How on Chauntea's green planet are you going to convince a group of up to 5 other to follow you around and obey your commands if you have the appearance and personal magentism of a mustard jelly? Similarly, a Wisdom or Intelligence score of under 7 (preferably a minimum of 8 or 9) is blatantly unrealistic. If you can't bark out coherent commands, all hope is lost.
Every party is different, of course, and a character like Minsc illustrates the personality that comes with Intelligence, Wisdom, and Charisma of 8, 6, and 9, respectively. It's ridiculous to give yourself a Charisma of 3 knowing that you'll get the Ring of Human Influence to make up for it. You simply wouldn't make it past the Friendly Arm Inn with a stat that low. "We don't serve your kind of rifraff here."
So that would be cheating, even though it's legal.
Control-J and Dungeon-Be-Gone, however, are examples of things that I would consider fine. Nobody wants to tromp all the way through the Umar Hills every time they want to complete a subquest. However, if you're using Control-J to avoid battles, that would then be wrong.
It's been brought up before, but I want to state it for the record- Cloudkilling a group of zombies in the fog of war is fine. They're zombies! Mind flayers, on the other hand, would never stand in a cloud of toxic vapors. And trust me, they know how to open doors.
Fireballing groups of enemies in a similar manner is debatable. If you're walking through a populated area or some other place where you wouldn't normally expect a battle reeks of cheese and foul play. However, if you're in a dungeon, you COULD make the argument that you had a thief scouting ahead... if you've played the game before. MAYBE. But I know that when I replayed BG for the first time in ages, you better believe that I had Coran and Imoen in their Boots of Stealth and Shadow Armor (for the latter) checking out the Firewine Ruins for traps and foes.
ElfBane- The bank is next door to the Merchant League, right? I never use it myself, but I do question why "I" threw out some of the more interesting trinkets the party was carrying. If he's hanging on to the Helm of Infravision and a Ring of Protection +1, why would he toss the Ring of Protection +2, the Robe of Good Archmagi, and a fascinating item like the Claw of Kazgaroth into the garbage heap?
And that's all I have to say. For now.
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I agree with all that for the most part, but I don't see the point of having charisma though. It should be sufficient if the leader/protagonist has good/decent charisma.
Here are the stats that my team has (all good aligned except protagonist who is neutral):
* Male Elf Fighter/Mage/Thief - Protagonist (9 str, 19 dex, 17 con, 18 int, 18 wis, 8 cha)
* Female Half-elf Cleric/Ranger (18 str, 18 dex, 18 con, 11 int, 18 wis, 3 cha)
* Female Human Kensai(13)/Mage (18 str, 18 dex, 18 con, 18 int, 7 wis, 3 cha)
* Male Dwarf Kensai (18 str, 17 dex, 19 con, 18 int, 7 wis, 2 cha)
* Female Elf Archer (18 str 19 dex 17 con 8 int 15 wis 14 cha)
* Male Human Inquisitor (18 str 18 dex 18 con 6 int 13 wis 17 cha)
For the protagonist, I wanted 19 dex, 18 int and 18 wis at least because of lore, higher chance to scribe, better AC and better thieving skills at start. Charisma of 8 is the lowest number.
There are 3 uncharismatic characters in my team, but on the other hand we have a not so bright Inquisitor who means well and is charismatic (17 cha!). My female archer had such a nice picture that I put charisma to 14 at least.
What do you think? Is this cheating by giving my partymembers these stats?