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Old 10-30-2007, 06:07 PM   #20
Iron Greasel
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Default Re: The truth is out there. Or is it?

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Originally Posted by JrKASperov View Post
Here lies the problem. Even using an ounce of logic is using theory. As I believe van Fraassen has put it: "our language is theory-infected". I would like to add that you can test something to be true as long as it's observable. It is important because science often has theories about unobservables.
That is not a problem. Trogdor simply stated that he does not believe things solely because someone else says they are. He did not say that he disbelieves everything he can't touch. At least that is how I interpreted his post. Trogdor, please correct me if I am wrong.

What do you mean with "theories about unobservables"? Unobservables like what? I was under the impression that scientific method basically meant acquiring new information by testing.

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Originally Posted by JrKASperov View Post
(...) science doesn't explain everything. This in conjunction with the hard reality that we often don't know whether something is true leads to the conclusion (in my opinion) that we cannot simply rule out these "ghost" things, as scientists. As a person I can have several judgements, however.
Indeed, the existence of ghosts cannot be disproven. In my initial post I said that "All ghost stories can be explained with science and everyday physics can be explained with magic". It is impossible to say, with perfect certainty, if gravity is caused by trade of gravitons between objects with mass, or invisible unicorns pushing everyone down, or something else. Or, to pick another example, whether a person who claims to have seen a ghost actually saw the ghost, saw something else, just imagined the whole thing or is lying.
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