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Originally posted by Chewbacca:
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Originally posted by JrKASperov:
A music discussion thread, and all they talk about is light music instead of artistic music.  Why don't you people go listen to something in which you'll really be discovering music in all of it's facets. Rap and all that is so shallow compared to a LOT. Same goes for pop, soft rock, hard rock, RnB, punk, punkrock etc.
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The DUO I mentioned, Gang Starr, revolutionized melding Jazz with Hip-Hop. They innovated a whole East Coast scene back in the early 90s, Shallow it is not.
My love for jazz now can be traced back to hip hop of that era. I could list dozens of hip hop artists who are just that- artists-poets-musicians-commentators.
Dont get me wrong, I see your point because there is a bunch of fake shallow crap out there, just not all of it. [img]smile.gif[/img] [/QUOTE]Melding two genres isn't necessarily unshallow, but since I have no knowledge of the band you are talking about, I will leave that in the middle. But on your second point there is some error. Makers of these light kind of music are nothing compared to people like Bach who made their music intruiging on nearly every level. The same goes for people like Robert Fripp and his formations of King Crimson, always forging a totally unique type of music, not really definable by any genre. Besides this, the two examples I give have music that is intruiging, complex and 'worked out' in composition per se(melody and rythym), individual parts, interplay between different parts, improvisation, virtuosity, athmosphere and meaning. There is more where this came from in both the progressive rock scene as the free jazz scene. To answer the other two posters who responded to me. I assure you two, I do not see rap and rock as simple as the songs you see on top 40, I am quite experienced with bands in my former local area, what they do, and how they do it. Also i do not see rap as shallow as the gansta rap you are referring to. My point is that all of this is light music, and as such less 'worked out'. There is simply less to hear, less to discover, and consequently less beauty. The music most often follows cliches to the end where every song looks like others in form of structure and all that. I'm pointing to the music where this has changed, those genres discussed about above.