Quote:
Originally posted by harleyquinn:
quote:
Originally posted by Thoran:
We all tolerate much that we'd rather not... for the sake of our families or our future we put up with all kinds of BS at work and school. Our young college men are assaulted with constant anti-male propeganda, quite often government financed and propegated by teachers who are in a position to ruin their lives. Women Studies "programs" teach hate of all things male on one hand while creating "anti-hate" Speach Codes that eliminate the opportunity for rebuttal on the other.
|
Well, I took woman studies classes in college, and there was nothing in those classes that taught us to hate men at all. If that's the impression you got, than either there was a bad teacher or the person that told you that had their own prejudices to begin with and was able to turn what was taught into learning to "hate men" as you put it.
As to the women earning less than men, every study I've ever seen shows us earning less, so if you've seen different, please let me know where, if you can remember.
[/QUOTE]Hmm... let me think...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,45917,00.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...we012802.shtml
http://www.nationalreview.com/commen...an040301.shtml
http://www.stls.frb.org/publications...c-backgnd.html
http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/hart090900.asp
I could probably come up with a few more but these will keep you busy for a while.
For an interesting discussion of Womens studies programs I suggest the Independant Womens Forum. These articles are a starting point:
http://www.iwf.org/pubs/exfemina/April2002i.shtml
http://www.glennjsacks.com/popular_womens_studies.htm
http://www.cnsnews.com/Culture/archi...20020515a.html
http://www.pacificresearch.org/pub/c..._01-12-12.html
I would guess that not ALL W.S. classes are problematic, but I would also suspect that most would never even associate the materials taught in such classes with sexism, because one of the things often taught is that only men ("the Patriarchy") can be sexist.
Quote:
Originally posted by harleyquinn:
Speaking as a woman, I know I'd be making about $10-15K more if I was male, I know this by seeing what all my male friends in the same positions are making compared to my salary. And, as a woman in her late 20s, it's difficult when I do need to find a job, because some horrid managers out there won't hire you (although they won't say it) because they think I'll leave when I have a kid. Yeah right, I spent all that time and money to become a computer programmer just to chuck it all when I have a family???
Not saying I don't have it easier than most, since I'm in a field where we're in high demand, just saying, there are some men (and even some women) in positions of authority out there who just don't think women are as capable and smart as men. I have men like that in the group I work in now. However, his manager is aware of this issue, and has been helpful in fixing it. Still, when working with him, he talks to me as if I'm a co-op instead of a programmer with 7+ years experience.
|
I also know women who think men aren't as capable... sexism is a two way street. My mother in law is a Dean at a university down south, earlier in her career (when she was a Director at a NYS University) she specifically excluded men from her team because she felt they were disruptive to the atmosphere... and she was quite unapolagetic about it. Back in the boom days for telecom I was involved in recruiting talent for my group (an engineering group of a F500 multinational) and I know for a fact that talented women and minorities were getting offers SIGNIFICANTLY higher than men with the same qualifications. I was told by a female grad at campus recruiting visit that she expected to get an offer that amounted to about 20% higher than the median starting for MSEE's... and I have no doubt she got it. I have no doubt that in these PC days for every female story of isolated discrimination (some guy thinks I can't do the job) there's an equivelant story of institutional discrimination against a guy (a less qualified woman was promoted over me to improve our manegerial diversity numbers).
[ 09-09-2003, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: Thoran ]