[Cerek the Barbaric]

Originally posted by Rokenn: It is also mere speculation that their rights were not violated. That is the problem with secrecy, you do not know. And given human nature we are more likely to hide things that we find embarrassing. And it would be quite embracing to the administration to got committing such wholesale violations of the constitution.

Very true on all counts, Rokenn. However, the original tone of the thread implied that their Constitutional rights were being violated based solely on the fact that the gov't was not releasing specific information to the general public. There were even incorrect assumptions made (before the mention of Camp X-Ray) that these detainees were not being provided access to attorneys.

I agree that BOTH sides are making assumptions based solely on speculation. While I don't completely agree with the logic that the gov't MUST be hiding something since they won't divulge all their information...I have acknowledged {more than once} than I could be wrong. A move the "gov't conspiracy side" has thus far been unwilling to do.