[Barry the Sprout]

LOL... did I just hear you right MagiK? Thats possibly the worst argument I've heard you come out with in defence of these new anti-terrorist measures. As far as I'me aware the argument has gone like this so far:

Step 1: TL mentions Law and Order,
Step 2: You concede that that could happen... but that its written by liberals so it probably won't.

Eh? Am I the only one who thinks that thats missing the point slightly? The same as with your argument that terrorists and their associates deserve what they get. TL's point is not that this is happening all the time, or that its happening to nice people, but that it sets a precedent whereby it could happen to anyone.

You know as well as I do that if this kind of perversion of justice were employed by any liberals, pinkos, commies, socialists, etc, then you'd be screaming blue murder about it. I wonder what it is that makes you turn a blind eye to such a forceful argument. The point is not that its happening to terrorists, but that it could happen to anyone. As such all of your Darwinian points, or "liberal hype" points are about as valid as Stevie Wonder's driving license. This is not about perception, or hype, or association. This is about a possibility, one that concretely and constitutionally exists now. You can't say that that is hype or exxageration, because its cold hard fact.