..Rumsfeld has resigned. Right before the tar and feathers arrived. Hopefully Bush will appoint someone competent now...instead of a crony(small chance).

I just hope there is no pullout of Iraq. We shouldn't have gone there, but I'm a believer in the notion that YOU BREAK IT YOU BUY IT.

I hope you weren't suprised by that, the Republican leaderships cutting and running when they lose an election. "Hale" they cut and run when they win elections remember Newt and Clinton's horse and pony show town meeting? Newt should have told the media he doesn't have to get along with the President we're idiological opposites we're not supossed to get along.

while i distaste the idea of US going to war in the first place, I agree, clean up your own mess

I'm actually of the opposite opinion, I think an all out war in the middle east between sunnis and shiites(it would start with an Iraqi civil war and hopefully grow to include Saudi Arabia and Iran, Syria, Kuwait, etc etc. A lack of regional stability would do far more to protect America specifically, and the west in general than continuing to bloody ourselves for people who hate us completely when we're paralyzed by international treaties and media hype from making any solid stands, we hit the bees nest with a rock, now we can let the terrorist groups kill each other off as they seem so intent on doing, better there than here.

No, the way it's supposed to work is ideological opposites are forced to work together to reach a middle ground. This is why I always want to see different parties in power in the different branches of government.

Pelosi had lunch with Bush today and they both stated they would be working through and past ideological differences. This is a good thing, not a bad one.

I'm actually of the opposite opinion, I think an all out war in the middle east between sunnis and shiites(it would start with an Iraqi civil war and hopefully grow to include Saudi Arabia and Iran, Syria, Kuwait, etc etc. A lack of regional stability would do far more to protect America specifically, and the west in general than continuing to bloody ourselves for people who hate us completely when we're paralyzed by international treaties and media hype from making any solid stands, we hit the bees nest with a rock, now we can let the terrorist groups kill each other off as they seem so intent on doing, better there than here. </font>[/QUOTE]But what if the bad guys seize the day, and turn the whole damn region into an anti-western fortress ? Because that could just as easily be the flipside of the coin. I don't think pulling out right now would be a very wise decision.

No, the way it's supposed to work is ideological opposites are forced to work together to reach a middle ground. This is why I always want to see different parties in power in the different branches of government.

Pelosi had lunch with Bush today and they both stated they would be working through and past ideological differences. This is a good thing, not a bad one. </font>[/QUOTE]A wise business stratagey TL as long as they get along they write laws. Laws that are middle ground and try to please everybody, require people to get Attorneys and accountants to find the loop holes. I can respect a man that votes his pocket book, "Hale" I do. That's why I don't want them to get along, I want them to fight and piss'n moun at each other. The more fight'n they do the less laws they make, the less I have to pay my attorney.

I'm actually of the opposite opinion, I think an all out war in the middle east between sunnis and shiites(it would start with an Iraqi civil war and hopefully grow to include Saudi Arabia and Iran, Syria, Kuwait, etc etc. A lack of regional stability would do far more to protect America specifically, and the west in general than continuing to bloody ourselves for people who hate us completely when we're paralyzed by international treaties and media hype from making any solid stands, we hit the bees nest with a rock, now we can let the terrorist groups kill each other off as they seem so intent on doing, better there than here. </font>[/QUOTE]Just imagine alot of Euro, China, Russia's oil are from the middle east, take that away and there is not a typhoon or butterfly effect anymore. Its good bye world economy. Lets hope that wont happen. Just because US is halfway around the world doesnt mean they wont be affected.

[ 11-10-2006, 10:31 PM: Message edited by: Harkoliar ]

As opposed to the current situation? I'm not entirely sure I see the difference, we've got the house of cards, I mean Saud, doubletalking out of their ass to stay in power, fundies running Iran and supporting Syria and Hezbollah, Pakistan which again plays the doubletalk game doing as much as they can get away with, much like a poor officeworker who does just enough to not get fired, the friends we have are either despots or very careful not to tread on the toes of their people in their "support" of us.

Then let them worry about stability there and let their troops bleed and die to keep it safe for their oil production. There's huge oil reservoirs in Alberta and new deposits found in the Gulf of Mexico that combined dwarf the oil in the Persian Gulf. OR they could put money into alternative fuels, Denmark has made some remarkable strides towards that end, or so I read 8-9 months ago.

[ 11-16-2006, 04:15 PM: Message edited by: Morgeruat ]