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gaunty 12-08-2001 03:44 PM

he should die after have lived in afganistan for the rest of
his life never to return to a civilized life style.

here is the next big problem: there are many "african americans"
born and raised in usa, have become muzlum, they're tired of the demicrat lies, they're never going to the republican side. they just
might love what walker did, and whould want to do it as well.

Ronn_Bman 12-08-2001 06:09 PM

It's a bit unfair to single out African-American Muslims as those who might be encouraged to acts of terrorism by not prosecuting John Walker. This is not about the legitimate Muslim religion at all, so Muslim Americans, of any race, would not be encouraged to attempt acts of violence by anything that does or does not happen to John Walker. This is about the crazies out there of any religion from any race.

John Walker has to be prosecuted, if what we've learned so far is true. Of that, I have no doubts. Not to do so would send the wrong message to many in the US and around the world.

Ryanamur 12-08-2001 09:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by gaunty:
he should die after have lived in afganistan for the rest of
his life never to return to a civilized life style.

here is the next big problem: there are many "african americans"
born and raised in usa, have become muzlum, they're tired of the demicrat lies, they're never going to the republican side. they just
might love what walker did, and whould want to do it as well.
<hr></blockquote>

I disagree. There's a distinction between African-American that became Muslims and would want to break their ties with the USA and mister Walker who broke his ties, attacked it's country and then claimed that he should be treated fairly because he's an American.

I really don't have a problem with an individual leaving one country or civilization for another. That's fine, we live in a free society and we can do what we wish when it comes to our lives and our beliefs. If we don't like or don't agree with the values of a society, we leave for another one.

However, when we leave, we forget about the past and we move on. That's not what Walker did. When the shit hit the fan, he fliped floped his way around and now claims that he's change is mind. Fine, you want back in, that's acceptable but you better be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Mr. Walker wasn't ready to take his responsibility. He now says he's an American. The problem is that, as an American, he opened fire on American forces, he joined the ranks of the ennemy, he worked to the detriment of his nation's interest! That, is a traitor.

He should be tried and if found guilty, he should suffer a traitor's death: hanging or shooting squad.

Sojourner 12-10-2001 12:21 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ryanamur:
However, when we leave, we forget about the past and we move on. That's not what Walker did. When the shit hit the fan, he fliped floped his way around and now claims that he's change is mind. Fine, you want back in, that's acceptable but you better be willing to accept the consequences of your actions. Mr. Walker wasn't ready to take his responsibility. He now says he's an American. The problem is that, as an American, he opened fire on American forces, he joined the ranks of the ennemy, he worked to the detriment of his nation's interest! That, is a traitor.

He should be tried and if found guilty, he should suffer a traitor's death: hanging or shooting squad.
<hr></blockquote>

He did more than join the ranks of the enemy, he also spit on our values. He was part of a regime that brutalized women and persecuted those of other faiths. At the very least, he should be stripped of his citizenship and forbidden to ever set foot on U.S. soil again.

Dramnek_Ulk 12-10-2001 02:43 PM

I would like to see walker punished if he has commited real crimes such as torture(him being in the taleban this could be likely) however he should not be punished for being a Traitor to america, the American government has encouraged many people to be traitors to their cause or country, so its rather hypocritical and selective morality for them to punish him for that.

the suggestion that he should pay with his life is so uncivilised and devoid of compassion I can hardly believe that people are suggesting it. However this is an emotionally charged issue and emotions can often override feelings.

believe it or not it is possible for people to be brainwashed into relgious cults and organisations especialy if they are young, and young people tend to be attracted to extremism like the taleban.

Ronn_Bman 12-10-2001 04:40 PM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Dramnek_Ulk:
...he should not be punished for being a Traitor to america, the American government has encouraged many people to be traitors to their cause or country, so its rather hypocritical and selective morality for them to punish him for that. <hr></blockquote>


It's not hypocritical.

Yes, we have encouraged others to side with US against their nations, and others have recruited American's to side with them against America. That is a choice that's ultimately made by individuals who know the cost. If you make a decision then you have to be willing to accept the consequences.

I have to be honest that I don't understand how your point applies. Would you say no nation should ever prosecute someone who has acted against them? Are you saying only the US has recruited spies? Do you believe people shouldn't be punished for violating the law? Do you believe a person can "take up arms" against their own country without paying a price?

KHaN 12-13-2001 08:58 AM

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by gaunty:

here is the next big problem: there are many "african americans"
born and raised in usa, have become muzlum, they're tired of the demicrat lies, they're never going to the republican side. they just
might love what walker did, and whould want to do it as well.
<hr></blockquote>

I wonder what party Timothy McVeigh voted for (probably was a hawk/NRA gun nut)...if he did vote. See, white people can do terrible damage to innocent people too. Just ask an indian if you need more info...that is if you can find one.


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