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Chewbacca

10-09-2004 02:19 AM

Plus other wrong facts from the second debate courtesy of Fox News:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134939,00.html

Excerpt:

Quote:

Kerry startled Bush by saying that the president is counted as a small business for tax purposes because he once earned $84 from a timber company he owns.

"I own a timber company?" Bush asked. "That's news to me." Then he paused and added, "Need some wood?"

That baffling exchange arises from an analysis by the Annenberg Public Policy Center's FactCheck.org debunking Bush's claims that Kerry's plans to raise taxes on the richest Americans would increase the tax burden on 900,000 small businesses.

The analysis found that the Bush campaign is counting every rich person who has even $1 of outside business income as a small business owner, even if they have no employees.

The analysis said even Bush qualifies under that definition because he reported $84 in income from his part-ownership of a timber enterprise on his 2001 federal tax return.

Grojlach

10-09-2004 05:19 AM

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=3845089354

Also note the current bid. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...ons/icon11.gif

[ 10-09-2004, 05:21 AM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

Jonas Strider

10-09-2004 09:39 AM

hahaha! good link. i saw the debate last night and it was a good format and the audience had some good questions. bush did a good job debating but my vote goes to kerry for the second debate. his answers and demeanor i liked. with bush, i listened but didn't like his answers or how he answered them. what's up with the head lurching that he does and that goober lip pursing. ugh, he's so ugly!

johnny

10-09-2004 10:01 AM

In my opinion these debates are pretty much useless. What's left to say or do that their supporters don't already know ? More mudslinging ? More childish accusations over and forth ? I really appreciate America, but the American presidential elections is something i can do without. My god... what a disgusting freakshow. How much more of these enlightning debates are we going to have to put up with ? Is it a best of seven for crying out loud ?

Just get that circus over with and get the hell off my tv screen so i can get annoyed by the regular scheduled reality soaps again.

Dadams1

10-09-2004 12:00 PM

The debates are extemely important in that they establish the absolute opposing views, and see how well the two candidates have planned out their future terms. Obviously you can also see they are important because they gave the opposition (Kerry) a chance to solidify his points and his plan. And a chance to make Bush look like an idiot (which he is), which is always a good thing.

Felix The Assassin

10-09-2004 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dadams1:
The debates are extemely important in that they establish the absolute opposing views, and see how well the two candidates have planned out their future terms. Obviously you can also see they are important because they gave the opposition (Kerry) a chance to solidify his points and his plan. And a chance to make Bush look like an idiot (which he is), which is always a good thing.

Ah, young grasshopper, so you think. I think differently. Our absentee ballots are already in the mail. So debate, debate what? Rather or not the states can count the absentee ballots properly should be the main course!

Illumina Drathiran'ar

10-09-2004 01:44 PM

I think differently, but for different resons. Nothing gets said in the debates... except Bush looking like an idiot.

As for the absentee ballots... I'm not worried. The previously-untapped youth vote will decide this election in Kerry's favor.

Timber Loftis

10-10-2004 05:31 AM

The debates are extremely important. In speeches and on news ads, Bush answers Kerry's charges with "he voted against the $87 million" and Kerry answers "flip-flop" charges with "wrong war, wrong place." The debates flesh out this rhetoric, and make the candidates address the real criticism rather than the rote rhetoric.

.... Sometimes .... when, we're lucky.

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