Ironworks Gaming Forum

Ironworks Gaming Forum (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/index.php)
-   General Discussion (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=36)
-   -   What does Jackson expect? (http://www.ironworksforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77319)

Nightwing 09-17-2004 02:36 PM

When you invite kids to your house and sleep in special rooms with them and get them drunk then pay off the parents people are going to know why.

I don't fully get the rules of evidence here. I know they are there to protect us, but if someone is questionable to get a serch warrent for part of the house aren't they questionable to serch the whole house.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/17/ja....ap/index.html

Timber Loftis 09-17-2004 02:43 PM

Here's the rule -- they can't go search your lawyer's office. Pretty simple rule. Based on what I've heard, the police just ignored an obvious rule -- OJ style. As with OJ, tainted evidence and piss poor police practices just may allow a guilty man to get off the hook. We should demand better from the police. When they screw up, all evidence resulting from it become inadmissible.

It was a really wanker move they pulled -- getting a warrant for his attorney's office. Sneaky gits will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, their actions may result in a failure of justice for the potential victim.

Morgeruat 09-17-2004 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Timber Loftis:
Here's the rule -- they can't go search your lawyer's office. Pretty simple rule. Based on what I've heard, the police just ignored an obvious rule -- OJ style. As with OJ, tainted evidence and piss poor police practices just may allow a guilty man to get off the hook. We should demand better from the police. When they screw up, all evidence resulting from it become inadmissible.

It was a really wanker move they pulled -- getting a warrant for his attorney's office. Sneaky gits will get what they deserve. Unfortunately, their actions may result in a failure of justice for the potential victim.

One nice thing about Englands legal system (from what I've heard) is that in a case such as this the evidence is still admissable, but the officer gets a heavy fine, so at least they can't let the guy go on a technicality, and it should (in theory) make cops a bit more careful.

bjorn 09-19-2004 06:32 AM

Sweden has a similar system i belive. Even if the evidence was obtained illigally its still evidence.

Letting people go on technicalities just dosen't make sense to me. I know the reasoning behind it but it just seems wierd and dumb.

Timber Loftis 09-19-2004 02:31 PM

I totally disagree. Completely. I like the fourth amendment, and the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures. It's anything but a technicality. If there was no probable cause to search my apartment, then *no* officer could have searched it, and the evidence could never had been found. So, the only fair thing to do would be to drop the case against me.

Stratos 09-19-2004 06:33 PM

I doubt Sweden has such a system, bjorn, but I could be wrong.

Nightwing 09-20-2004 08:52 AM

But if a search turns up evidence of another crime why couldn't it be used? And is it legal for a lawyer to with hold evidence if he knows it is relitive to the case?

Timber Loftis 09-20-2004 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nightwing:
And is it legal for a lawyer to with hold evidence if he knows it is relitive to the case?
No, generally speaking, and if a lawyer had knowledge of material evidence, the lawyer would likely have an ethical duty to divulge it -- on both the prosecution and defense side. So, if the cops had followed the law, and the lawyer had followed the law, you'd get a correction conviction. The cops failed to follow the law, so the case should be dropped.

However, a proceeding against the attorney for failure to divulge the evidence may be able to introduce the evidence. I'm thinking an obstruction of justice or maybe ethical board case.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:10 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
©2024 Ironworks Gaming & ©2024 The Great Escape Studios TM - All Rights Reserved