Yorick, I had to go on a business trip that consumed large quanities of natural resources so I couldn't reply to a post you had made earlier, and now I've forgotten wich thread it was on and I'm to lazy to take the time to hunt for it. IIRC you had made the statement about how we need to get back to living in harmony with nature then listed several societies that in the past had done so ie: the Aboriginies(sp?) of your native country, and several other primative, by our standards, cultures. I got a couple of question for you all in the spirit of figuring out how to do this.
1) What is/were the population denseties of those cultures per sq. mile or kilometer for them that use the metric system?
2) How do you propose that an area like O let's say good'le NY,NY with it's high population density acheive this goal?
3) How does the population move out without using massive amounts of natural resources?
4) How does one go about feeding such a large population witout using vast amounts of natual resources? I mean you have to refrigerate the food and that takes electricty. Elec. means burning coal, oil, using Nuke that leads to polution not very harmonious(sp?) to nature. I know we can use hydro, Opps sorry about that, dams cause problems with the fishes. Wind? well as long as the birdies don't fly into the spining blades, or you mind not having any elec when the wind is not blowing. We could solve that problem by making large batteries but then we have the problem of leaks and contamination from the batteries. I know we could make the wind farms away from people and build large powerlines to the cities. But wait power lines require mining of minerals and that is not harmoniuos to nature to dig up mother earth and rip her guts out. What about Solar? Ok if you don't mind not having elect at night cause we've already ruled out batteries, same for cloudy days. What about the rise in air temp above the solar panels from excess heat? what is that going to do for global warming? after all we're going to power the entire Earth with solar panels. I know we'll build solar panels in space and beam the super consintrated sunlight back to Earth. But what is going to happen to the atmosphere around that super consintrated beam of sunhine blasting down to our dear planet? What would happen if a feathered or furry creature was to cross that beam? Doesn't sound to harmonious to nature to me. ;)

Now don't get me wrong here Yorick, I WOULD NOT MIND in the SLIGHTEST going back to the primitive days, I enjoy releaving myself in the woods, I can make a clovis point spear(clovis point is a stone point usualy made from flint, use by primative American Indians 12000-9000 b.c.) I can kill gut and skin any varmint I can find, and use the pieces parts to make clothes, caps, shoes, glue, bow strings etc. I can grown my own food and build my own shelter, I know where to look for water, how to build a fire without matches and all in harmony with nature. My wife can break horses for transportation, my son-law can hunt fish and farm and about anything I can't do. My daughters are citified so they'd be reduced to birth'n babies. But that's ok we need that to keep the Harris clan going ;) All I need now would be another son-in-law for my other daughter and my clan is all set. Under my guidance and the strick passing down of knowledge to the next generation. In a few thousand years the Harris clan would be ready to expand and take over the world. ;) [img]smile.gif[/img] :D

John D, I prefer to releive myself on asphalt, so I can admire my ability to write my name. I think the world looks better, generally, paved with asphalt with a few intermittent man-tamed parks of nature placed in between civilization. Big concrete jungles are a great boon, they centralize all people and provide a haven of sorts by generating a heat that causes really bad adverse weather, like tornadoes and hurricanes, to avoid the people and only destroy the trailer-park areas.

I'm disappointed that the Sears Tower is as tall as a building gets on this continent, and I'm real sad Chicago scrapped the skyrise development that would have been a building you could add to later -- setting the stage for a true hive-city development.

I like my value meals supersized and my women big. I prefer big Americans driving big cars and doing whatever the heck they want to this world. I support rubber-stamp developments of $750K homes and a crappy public school system. I support golf courses built atop hazardous waste dumps -- don't fix the past, just build atop it. Give me my freon fix in the summer and my natural gas fireplace in the winter.

And screw trees, who needs 'em. I got a bonzai sitting with a nice view of the lake from 22 stories up, and that's all the tree I need.

And that's why I make sure to not skim through TL's posts.

I quote Ronald Reagan: "Better living... electrically."

TL don't get me wrong either, I like releaving myself on asphalt also, ecspecialy from the 22nd floor, much higher then that and the rising heat from the asphalt evaporates the falling liquid ;)

The heat from asphalt is just gravy, the real meat of asphalt is the run-off from the rain mixed with the drops of oil from leaking SUV's, and cigarette butts. ;) [img]smile.gif[/img] :D

Just saw this... will reply later. ;)

That's ok Yorick, I'm yanking your chain ;)

<font color=deepskyblue><font color=white>John D.</font> - Sounds to me like you should try out for the next <font color=yellow>Survivor Series</font>.</font>
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