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shamrock_uk 05-25-2004 11:45 AM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3746205.stm

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Al-Qaeda remains a viable and effective "network of networks" and has been galvanised by the war in Iraq, according to the London-based think tank, the International Institute for Strategic Studies.
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According to conservative intelligence estimates quoted by the IISS, the group is present in more than 60 countries and has "18,000 potential terrorists at large".

The IISS says the war in Iraq has focused the energies and resources of al-Qaeda and its followers, while diluting those of the global counter-terrorism coalition.
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The report also addresses the broader issue of relations between Islam and the West, saying the Bush administration did not fully appreciate that the 11 September attacks were a "violent reaction to America's pre-eminence".

To win hearts and minds, the report says, the appearance of American unilateralism needs to be tempered.

Masklinn 05-25-2004 11:48 AM

Yeah...I fail to see how this war could have done otherwise anyway.

Donut 05-25-2004 11:52 AM

Stating the bloody obvious really! :rolleyes:

Masklinn 05-25-2004 11:55 AM

Well, not obvious for everyone it seems.

Shaide 05-25-2004 11:59 AM

Make this point of view as your:
The richest nation (United States of America) is invading muslims nations, they are helping Israel in their war against Palestina, USA is a cristian nation, the poor people who live in muslims nations are used like human bombs for the muslims cleric because they say them USA want to kill them because they are muslims (¬_¬)
The poor people havent any solution, their bodies could be used as weapons, and here we have got the terrorists.
If terrorists kill occidental person, the occidental nations kill potential "terrorists" persons, and how the occidental nations killed potential "terrorists", the genuine terrorists will kill more occidental persons. It's a vicius circle.

Shaide

Masklinn 05-25-2004 12:02 PM

Well, lets make it official by renaming this thread "The Obvious Thread".

wellard 05-27-2004 10:40 AM

Maybe if the same effort was being made to defeat the head of Al-Qaeda in Afghanistan first then Al-Qaeda would not be as big a problem. Anyone remember the name of the guy who bombed the world trade towers? Osama.. whats is name.. [img]graemlins/1ponder.gif[/img]

Remind me G.W.Bush, are we not supposed to be concentrating 100% of our efforts on bringing OBL to justice?

Lest we forget?

[ 05-27-2004, 10:41 AM: Message edited by: wellard ]

promethius9594 05-27-2004 03:23 PM

wellard, osama isnt in afghanistan any more, if he was we would very likely have found him. in fact, al quada's operating presence in afghanistan is VERY minimal, if at all.

second, shaide (and whoever wrote shamrock's article), i reject the idea that muslims attacked america because "america had it coming." that idea, while maybe the justification that terrorists used is sick and wrong. we may very well be the wealthiest nation in the world... but at the same time, we also have the largest amount of aide going out to other nations. jealousy is not a justification for terrorism, its a vice of a small people with no values. there is NO, and i repeat, NO reason to succomb to terrorist or believe that the events of 9/11 were somehow justified for ANY reason.

you know, for some bad guys its enough to know that they're bad. you dont have to psychoanalyze everyone out there.

The Hierophant 05-27-2004 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by promethius9594:
jealousy is not a justification for terrorism, its a vice of a small people with no values. there is NO, and i repeat, NO reason to succomb to terrorist or believe that the events of 9/11 were somehow justified for ANY reason.

Whoever said 9/11 was justified? The paraphrasal of the report merely states that 9/11 occured as a result of an anti-US backlash. I don't think the report, nor anyone on IW, states that that backlash was a justified thing.

Timber Loftis 05-27-2004 03:37 PM

Numbers don't make AQ strong. Do some research on it -- while numbers may have increased, the leadership has been sundered. Attacks are coming with less planning and in less concert. They may all/most be AQ attacks, but they resemble attacks by disjointed individual cells these days.


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