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Donut 08-04-2003 04:26 AM

Well I'll be supporting this campaign


Tony Blair for President
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Moiraine 08-04-2003 06:43 AM

Trying to get rid of him are you ? :D

Yorick 08-04-2003 12:43 PM

I know this will sound like heresy to you Fred, but I actually like the guy. His courage at facing off the criticisms and pressures of his own party, his own country, to do what he felt was the right thing, shows he is not a weak spined populist, but an idealist of incredible strength of character.

You may not agree with his policies, or find his manner appeals to you, but how can you not say he has admirable qualities as a human being.

I actually like his manner, but that's just me. The fibre of his convictions and his willingness to face off opposition are esteemable in my opinion.

He's not alone. Gorbachev was reviled in Russia, and a hero outside. Clinton was much more popular in places like Australia than in his home country.

And look at Queen Lizzy? She's so popular other countries like Australia and New Zealand put her on their currency! How did that happen?

So I reckon... Blair for leader of the Union of Anglica!!

Skunk 08-04-2003 06:12 PM

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You may not agree with his policies, or find his manner appeals to you, but how can you not say he has admirable qualities as a human being.
I don't know if you can call public deceit and shady business practices with blind trusts as 'admirable qualities' - but I do admire his choices of media representatives who have such a decent job of shoring up his image - but even they have their limitations. I don't think that even they can rescue Blair from the latest 'deception scandal' (and there have been *many* of them!).

I equally am unimpressed by 'strength of conviction' - because 'strength of conviction' when untempered by moral charactor brings out the worst excesses in man. Hitler had a strong and unwavering conviction with regards to the 'jewsish question', Stalin had an unwavering conviction towards the construction of a socialist state and the strength of charactor to forge it - not matter what the cost...

Donut 08-05-2003 05:25 AM

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Originally posted by Yorick:
I know this will sound like heresy to you Fred, but I actually like the guy. His courage at facing off the criticisms and pressures of his own party, his own country, to do what he felt was the right thing, shows he is not a weak spined populist, but an idealist of incredible strength of character.


That't because you haven't had to suffer him for 8 years. He's false, duplitious and mendacious. Of course - if all you are getting is the sound bites then he sounds credible.

Too many lies, too many prevarications and too many broken promises. If he was a Tory I would understand it.

BTW - what is your opinion of him taking Communion in a Catholic church with his wife?

Yorick 08-05-2003 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by Donut:


BTW - what is your opinion of him taking Communion in a Catholic church with his wife?

What is there to have an opinion on? I would take communion in a Catholic Church if they offered one while I was present. As a matter of fact I think I did at least once. Either at a Catholic wedding, or when I was in Ireland. Can't remember exactly.

Yorick 08-05-2003 05:32 AM

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Originally posted by Donut:
That't because you haven't had to suffer him for 8 years. He's false, duplitious and mendacious. Of course - if all you are getting is the sound bites then he sounds credible.

Too many lies, too many prevarications and too many broken promises. If he was a Tory I would understand it.

But who else are you going to pick. I think I was in England during the leadup to the re-election. The Tory guy was an idiot if I recall.

Should Charlie knock off Lizzy and rule without parliament like his namesake? Is there a Cromwell in politics at the moment?

[ 08-05-2003, 05:33 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

Skunk 08-05-2003 05:55 AM

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But who else are you going to pick. I think I was in England during the leadup to the re-election. The Tory guy was an idiot if I recall.
It's not a two party state - Duncan Kennedy is starting to pull a much higher rating in the polls, gaining heaviest from labour supporters who feel that Blair has betrayed both them and his parties values.

It is almost certain that Blair's party will remain in power after the next election because the country, on the whole, is more left-wing than right.

But, whether Tony Blair will survive to be the next PM is another matter altogether. If he does manage to fight off a leadership challenge, he will weaken his party's majority in the next parliament.

I was a member of the labour party for ten years before I left the country. I have never voted for any other party - but in the next election, I will be voting for Duncan Kennedy - unless Blair stands down.

[ 08-05-2003, 05:59 AM: Message edited by: Skunk ]

Moiraine 08-05-2003 05:59 AM

Or you may end up as we did last year, getting to choose between the right-wing guy and the extreme-right-wing guy ... :(

Skunk 08-05-2003 06:07 AM

Living in the Netherlands, I've already faced that one - but without the right to vote in the national elections.


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