G-8 in disarray over 'global warming'
Canada abandons all talk of ratification of Kyoto Protocol
--Reuters

Way to go our brothers to the North! Stop the madness inspired by bad science, half formed theories and incomplete research!

Umm..kay, well it works a hell of a lot better then the "voluntary" one bush has introduced [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Your opinion would not be influenced in anyway perhaps by the fact that the US or more precisely Bush pulled out of Kyoto? ;)

yeah, I guess the research will only be complete when the polar ice caps have completely melted...

Umm..kay, well it works a hell of a lot better then the "voluntary" one bush has introduced [img]tongue.gif[/img]
Your opinion would not be influenced in anyway perhaps by the fact that the US or more precisely Bush pulled out of Kyoto? ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Umm actually Bush has NOTHING to do with any of my personal beliefs. I formed my opinion about things like the Kyoto accords from talking to friends who are meterologists, reading about the ACTUAL science involved and discarding any theories or models and theories on climate predictions which don't even incorporate such little details as the great lakes, continental mountain ranges or vast expanses of flat lands. All of the science behind the accords is based on guess, conjecture and politics. I detest bad science and this my friend is as bad as it gets.

It might be easier for you to think I am just a lap puppy for George Bush...but he just happens to be the guy in office that holds SOME of my same views.

yeah, I guess the research will only be complete when the polar ice caps have completely melted...</font>[/QUOTE]Rokenn, are you aware that there were MANY many times before homo-sapiens were on the scene when there were NO polar Ice caps? Did you know that we are currently in an interglacial period and were you aware that there are theories that the melting of the fresh water ice of the polar caps that actually triggers ice ages? Gee if we ARE inter glacial..and we are DUE to have another Ice Age...wouldnt that theory actually fit the trends? The science for the accords is bad and is not worth the US or anyone else investing in preiod!

For every scientist/meteorologist that you can find that says global warming is not happening, I can find one that says it is. I'm well aware of global climate cycles. One way or another our grandkids or theirs will know the truth of the matter. Till then the scientists, politicians, and semi-informed lay people can argue about it till they are blue in the face.

I am not going to discuss this further with you as you have already shown that you would much rather prefer attacks then discussion. Lets just let it go that you have your beliefs and I have mine.

P.S. BTW Canada did not 'pull out' of the Kyoto accords due to any disagreement with the science. They pulled out due to purely political reasons. They wanted clean air credit for hydro energy shipped to the US. Next time you want to attack try not to spin the news so much to fit your viewpoint [img]smile.gif[/img]

Here is a link to the Reuters article:
G8 in Open Disarray Over Kyoto Protocol

I never said there isn't a global warming trend...I have read and re-read every post I have made, no where did I deny this...what I deny is any evidence that it is MAN that causes global warming. Man at best/worst is responsible for localized effects but there is NOT ONE SINGLE MODEL that can show a direct correlation to mans activities being the major impetus for this warming. According to most theories about the ice ages, all of them show that there is significant warming just prior to a glacial period. There is a really great study on the lowering of the salinity of the arctic waters due to polar melting causing a break down in the deep ocean currents. The deep oceanic currents are responsible for heat dispersion to the north and south from the equator.

Anyway more to the popint of what you said...you can't show me a single scientist who has a climate model that takes in more than roughly 20 percent of all factors involved. Humans have not developed the computing power to run that model yet.

Umm you implied that I attacked you...in some way in your last post, I made no attacks, all I did is point/counter point the issue. Sorry if you were emmotionally involved with that.

As for the reasoning for Canada's pull out..I don't believe I said why Canada pulled out...I made comments about why I disliked the accords, and cheered Canada for pulling out...nothing more.

yeah, I guess the research will only be complete when the polar ice caps have completely melted...</font>[/QUOTE]Rokenn, are you aware that there were MANY many times before homo-sapiens were on the scene when there were NO polar Ice caps? Did you know that we are currently in an interglacial period and were you aware that there are theories that the melting of the fresh water ice of the polar caps that actually triggers ice ages? Gee if we ARE inter glacial..and we are DUE to have another Ice Age...wouldnt that theory actually fit the trends? The science for the accords is bad and is not worth the US or anyone else investing in preiod!</font>[/QUOTE]Even if This is true and even if the gas emitions don't cause the Global Warming
What right does that give us to go poplute the earth?
And further more What does that give countries the right to break treaties they made?
I hardly find any of this cheerful and i do think Magik that for once you should try to see things from a less egoïtic poit of view