How many of you are as vain as I and would prefer a natural 18 in charisma over a magically raised 18? I'd imagine putting that ring on would be a sight to see. I'm glad I opted for the natural 18 though, b/c as a mage it sure is nice to be able to leave certain rings on all the time.

<font color="teal"> Well I personally rather have the natural 18 cause then u can hav 2 rings of gaxx [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

<font color="gold">I do the exact opposite of you two.
I always take as low Charisma as possible, so I can use those points on other things, and then just get the Ring of HUman Influence as quick as I get out of Irenicus' Dungeon. [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>

Yes, what you do, Sir Exxon, is definitely the smart thing to do. Had I done that with my current character I'd be much better off. But for roleplaying purposes I preferred to play a character that was a natural leader instead of one who was magically so. Like I said, vanity. Now I've got this wasted ring. What am I gonna do, give it to Minsc? Actually, you could give it to the person you're romancing! Who couldn't use a face lift now and then? Just hope they don't take offense and slap me in the face with their spiky club.

my faforite rings are the ring of gaxx couz mages they are soooo powerfull!

charisma actually has very little to do with attractiveness. sure, a horridly ugly brute would have a decreased CHA modifier, and a Victoria's Secret model would have an increased CHA modifier, but it actually is the ability and inclination to lead. That is why your characters get a morale bonus by having an experienced (high-CHA) leader. They can naturally inspire courage, and basically make everyone feel good about following him/her. When is the last time a good-looking bimbo made good leadership decisions all the time? The confusion comes with items like T'rachie's plate, which talks about disfigurement, which can affect how much people want to be seen with you. However, it is not vanity to have a high CHA, only luck of the draw to be a natural leader.

I agree with Sir Exxon, but usually don't let it drop below 10. you get negative modifiers to your rolls at 9, but only get positive ones at 13.

I tend to carry the ring of charisma with me and only put it on when shopping etc, then i can put on a really good ring when fighting , when to be honest you dont need to look good!!!

A sense of humor can sometimes bump your charisma up a notch too.

1) i just put keldorn at the top so i dont need the ring at all.

2)Lewzbel: why would you want to put your mage up front in the first place?

My mage is the leader, but he isn't up front. I use either staggered formation or circle formation where he is in the middle.