Does anyone know where in a really detailed table of when classes decrease their THAC0 and saves? Like what are he stats for a level 18 fighter...etc.

thaco -

ftr's get -1 thaco / level
thieves : -1 / 2 levels
clerics : -2 / 3 levels
mages : -1 / 3 levels

-------- saving throws ----------

Table 60:
Character Saving Throws

a- Paralyzation, poison or death magic
b- rod staff or wand
c- petrify / polymorph
d- breath weapon
e- spell


Priests a b c d e
1-3 10 14 13 16 15
4-6 9 13 12 15 14
7-9 7 11 10 13 12
10-12 6 10 9 12 11
13-15 5 9 8 11 10
16-18 4 8 7 10 9
19+ 2 6 5 8 7

Rogues
1-4 13 14 12 16 15
5-8 12 12 11 15 13
9-12 11 10 10 14 11
13-16 10 8 9 13 9
17-20 9 6 8 12 7
21+ 8 4 7 11 5

Warriors
0 16 18 17 20 19
1-2 14 16 15 17 17
3-4 13 15 14 16 16
5-6 11 13 12 13 14
7-8 10 12 11 12 13
9-10 8 10 9 9 11
11-12 7 9 8 8 10
13-14 5 7 6 5 8
15-16 4 6 5 4 7
17+ 3 5 4 4 6

Wizards
1-5 14 11 13 15 12
6-10 13 9 11 13 10
11-15 11 7 9 11 8
16-20 10 5 7 9 6
21+ 8 3 5 7 4

*Excluding polymorph wand attacks.
**Excluding those that cause petrification or polymorph.
***Excluding those for which another saving throw type is specified, such as death, petrification, polymorph, etc.

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all #'s courtesy of the 2nd players handbook.

[This message has been edited by koz-ivan (edited 06-09-2001).]

oh for the love of god, is there a way to kep this from looking all crunchy?
(tried to make it a clear as possible, alas it's beyond my skills)

[This message has been edited by koz-ivan (edited 06-09-2001).]

THANKS!

What are the THAC0 start values? Do they all start at 20