I was messing around spawning a group of death knights in to fight a level 40 dwarven bezerker and noticed that even though he has negative numbers for all his saving throws and no one cast greater malison or doom death knights spells still worked on him whats up with that?

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[This message has been edited by caleb (edited 05-27-2001).]

Some effects just bypass saving throws. Its like Power Word: Kill which only affects creatures with 60 or less HP.
Saving throws have nothing to do with it. Magic Resistance will help though.

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Why?

Yea but im not talking about spells with saving throws that negate the effect like symbols.

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In the new third edition rules, you take the level of the caster plus the level of the spell. That is lets say an 8th level caster and a 6st level spell. That is 14. You saving throw is your bonuses and your roll on the 1d20 (also called a twenty sider) need to be higher than, in this case, 14 to make the save vs spell.

Some times the save is for half, and some spells have no saves.

the 2nd edition rules that BGII is based on is similar. You have a save table by class with racial and equipement bonuses. If you roll higher than it, you save, but there is also the half or the no saving. Some spells also put a -4 or so on your saves for an adjustment for level, ie if you are a 4th level ranger and you are trying to save vs a 20th level mage, you should have some sort of adjustment for it...

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