can someone tell me where and how to find these guys. i think i need a 'rogue stone' too...where is this stone?? ty

<font color="gold">Yes, you need a rogue stone. There are many of these through the game, spread all over.
Hmm, hope I remember correct...
They are located between the tavern in the Docks, and Kangaxx's house.</font>


see ya!

the twisted rune is found in the bridge district and yes u need rune stone... the door is locked and trapped, it is near the Lich House and the dudes who bury ppl alive

howeva, this battle is one of the hardest battles in the entire SoA..
I won this battle by setting traps and traps and traps... i got Yoshi and layed 3 Special Snares... then i pressed dual-class, cancelled it and the trap abilities were replaced... then set more traps and traps... i think this is considered as cheating but if u wanna save time and not reload 20-50 times...

i suggest u do this!

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ike YarakZ:
howeva, this battle is one of the hardest battles in the entire SoA.. I won this battle by setting traps and traps and traps... i got Yoshi and layed 3 Special Snares... then i pressed dual-class, cancelled it and the trap abilities were replaced... then set more traps and traps... i think this is considered as cheating but if u wanna save time and not reload 20-50 times...

i suggest u do this!<hr></blockquote>

<font color = "lightblue"> With respect, I don't. Laying tons of traps because you know what's going to happen is cheesy. Beating the Twisted Rune Gang in this fashion gives items, but no sense of accomplishment.

It certainly makes sense to cast preparatory and defensive spells before entering, since your party would ordinarily do that, not knowing what lies on the other side of the door. If you win fairly, without having taken unnatural measures before battle, you can pat yourself on the back and celebrate. You've faced a major challenge that the developers prepared for you, and dealt with it squarely.

Just my two cents. [img]smile.gif[/img]

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It isn't actually that big of a battle at all. You need to know what you will face. Basically, you will face a lich, a vampire, human mage, beholder and human (fighter or was it a thief?). That's from the races. Each one has the tool in the game to deal with them. Human and the vamp are just melee mobs, deal with them as with any other one. They die easily. Lich is a lich, spellcaster with it's standard load of spells. Slap on True Sight, Breach/Pierce/Secret Word (or better) on him, or any other magic removal spells, and he drops like a sack of 3 year old apples. Beholder - Shield of Balduran will make a short work out of him, no effort whatsoever. If you do not have the shield, then the Cloak of Mirrors you get later will help. If you don't have that either, well, it's tad peskier then but doable. And now the mage, human female, remains. She summons some lil' Pit Fiend, which at many times goes right at her anyway heh. Even if it doesn't, it's still a pushover, easy melee target. Few magic protection removal spells like you used on the lich will also work on her and then just beat her up as well.

As for the fight, do NOT storm the room with all the party members. Leave them behind, on the stairs. Move one char ahead, the one who has the Shield of Balduran for example (melee char, tank). Move carefully towards the room, and as soon as you see the lil' flames sprout up, stop. Lich will spawn in the middle of the table and speak to you. After that the rest will spawn as well, but if you move quickly back to your group the rest will not always see you right away, and thus you can deal with the lich more easily. Human male may join with the lich, but I never saw any threat in him, neither can I recall how I killed him each time hehe.. He's just so insignificant, I never even really saw whether he was a fighter or a thief type, he simply died always so fast. You can set some traps in the room before the big "hall", somewhere on half the way from the middle of that room and the doorway to the "hall", that's where the lich will port to.

Once you have dealt with the lich, you can carefully move in to the lower part of the room. That will make the vampire usually come at you. Beholder might see you too, since it's not far from the doorway, but Shield of Balduran will make him "suicide". Kill the vamp as you have killed them before, nothing too big there. Now move the group and be ready for the female human mage. She will summon Pit Fiend, she can and will Time Stop, slap some spells on you and some AE spells as well, but all in all it isn't so nasty. You can get her attention with just one Hasted tank and then get out of the AE spells. She will run soon enough out of spells and then come and melee you (what a silly lass).

From the buffs, all your buffs have probably long gone by now, and you cannot really cast them again during the fight. Then again, maybe you can. I never really used much of any buff there, save one and only one: True Sight. Haste too, though at times it got dispelled, together with other buffs. You may want to use Fire Resist as well. Slap Stoneskins and Blur on casters. Now, if I made it sound too easy then it isn't really a pushover, simply I have done this fight now many times and know who acts how and when. The party members have levels usually 10'ish - some almost 10, some at 10, some tad above. The real threats there are the mages - lich and the human female. They can Time Stop, AE spells (AE=Area Effect), Death and such, remove your buffs. From these 2 the lich is tad peskier, the human female mage always seems to have some quarrel with the Pit Fiend she summons. Pretty funny to see her cast Time Stop, Protection from Evil, summon Pit Fiend and then she starts to Maze the Pit Fiend. Go figure.. Guess she didn't like the eye color of the fiend heh..

Don't forget to pick up 2 main items here - the beholder eye and the famous Staff of the Magi.

[ 01-11-2002: Message edited by: Whailor ]</p>

You will actually need one particular rogue stone to get into this fight....
If you read the info on the rogue stones you collect one will have slightly different info and no resale value....

Thanks to all who answered. I finally discovered that i HAD the rogue stone earlier and sold it to Ribald...luckily he still had it [img]smile.gif[/img] . Thank you

<font color = "lightblue">@Seth, don't let some of the posters fool you about the battle's presumed easiness, piece of cake, etc. It's configured to be the hardest battle in SoA, according to the developers, and as such, it was made deliberately made optional, away from the main storyline. Sure, it's simple--once you know exactly what different opponents you're facing, how to walk to deal with them, what spells to use, etc. :D The fun part, IMO, is trying to find creative solutions to dealing with any battle according to the party you have, with only knowing the barest facts about what you face. That's real roleplaying, and it's that suspense followed by the rush of victory that makes BG2's conflicts so addicting.

If you decide to take on the Twisted Rune, I'd suggest not doing so before your party is about 12th level; when one of the forums was discussing this shortly after the game came out, we all suggested level 15, especially depending on your party. I would suggest as well having spellcasters with spell sequencers in your group; a high level Aerie can be a superweapon, here, if you have the ToB extension, because she can sequence both mage AND clerical spells.

For the rest, don't read too much about how to succeed, find your own strategies, and have a ton of fun. The last part is especially important. :D </font>

Fable is right. It is tough fight when you don't know the enemies. People may say it is easy and yes it is. However, it is said because we knew the enemies and we had the items to smack them. In my first game I didn't finish the Twisted Runes 'cos I got smacked all the times. This time I found out what kind of enemies I was facing and I got the right items to smack them.