Is it possible to do the helm quest and make the guy Doringal (or whatever) attack you without just killing him. Because every time i go up to him with the helm he just teleports away and leaves u with his "servants". Or if u cant then do u meet him somewhere else?

It is possible to give him the Helm (earning the EXP for completing the quest) <u>and</u> still wind up with the Helm afterwards--but since you never see him again, the only way is to quick-like-a-bunny assassinate him right after handing over the Helm.

Maybe a Hold Person works (or you could try and charm him) [img]smile.gif[/img]

what about pickpocketing?

thanks guys i think il just kill him straight after. What do u guys usuallly do? Oh and faceman pickpocket might work but ud have to be mightyu quick. Better to just kill him as u get xp for it too.