I am wondering, is anyone else turned off by the 3rd edition rules so much that they plan to dodge the new DnD games? I do not like how Wizards of the Coast ruined Adnd by things like everyone leveling the same, allowing any race to have any class, making AC work completely different, and so on.
The way things are I guess I just have to stick with my games like "Curse of Azure Bonds" "Secert of the Silver Blades" and everything else that came before.

I do not wish for this thread to turn into a violent arguement, i just simply want to know who feels the same about 2nd edition adnd being lost becuase WotC made a new edition

I actually like the way that WotC allowed people to have more flexibility with their characters - but the price of that flexibility and versatility is overall power. It makes sense since if you want to specialize you can anyway and the prestige classes are a great way to customize the game.

Why would anyone argue violently. ;) I agree with Memnoch, I like the prestige classes, esp. the Pale Master and the Spellsword. I wanna fight #1 and as for #2, I "are" one. BTW, Memnoch, thanks, see my post in Keldorn's Order Building.

I like 3E. Its funner IMHO.

And wy should ADND not be lost....The orginal DND was lost when ADND came out, so there is no diffrence here.

I guess I'm the only one who really liked the feeling of a hard struggle that second edition brought, along with the sense of accomplishment that it brought after completeling hard tasks. (I just remember always narrowly getting past things in pen and paper Adnd)

the way it sounds, that seems to have been removed since it sounds made to be alot easier, not a struggle and not as complex as before.

Another thing about second was people didn't really seem to look at all of the speciality classes they could have in the many many wonderful expansion books made for second edition (since i hear about flexibility)

Then again this could all be me wanting my most used edition back, i wonder if any of you understand how i feel about the change and wanting 2nd edition to stay

i like the prestige classes, that is about it. the shadow-dancer, red avengers, and the arcane archers are perfect examples. i LOVE archers, so i think if allowed, that is what ill play in NWN. if not, ill stick with my elven fighter/mage. [img]graemlins/ninja.gif[/img]

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Teeran:
I guess I'm the only one who really liked the feeling of a hard struggle that second edition brought, along with the sense of accomplishment that it brought after completeling hard tasks. (I just remember always narrowly getting past things in pen and paper Adnd)

the way it sounds, that seems to have been removed since it sounds made to be alot easier, not a struggle and not as complex as before.

Another thing about second was people didn't really seem to look at all of the speciality classes they could have in the many many wonderful expansion books made for second edition (since i hear about flexibility)

Then again this could all be me wanting my most used edition back, i wonder if any of you understand how i feel about the change and wanting 2nd edition to stay<hr></blockquote>

Well struggle and complexity all depends on your DM.

He can make the adventure hard as he wants, so in the end you still have the feeling that you accoplished somthing.

Its also particaly up to you, how much you put into the game.

I'm probably not going to buy NWN, mostly because of the 3rd edition rules, simple as that.

Tsk.. crybabies! ;) ;) (joking and teasingly alot)
3:edition is great, and if you don´t buy the game because of it.. Well.. your loss. And all this tlk about 3:ed being an easier system is (insert aproprate word here)X2...

You seem to forget alot, it´s up to the DM.. Simple as that.
So even if you don´t want to play the PnP game fine, don´t let an oopurtunity go past to be able to play what-at-least-for-now seems to be a great game.

CRPG´s never gonna be like real PnP ;) [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hehe.. Take that LOL!
Oki, I feel a bit mischievious now, so if you find NWN too easy, I´ll make a Koblin cave for you!! And when you meet the Kobold/barbarians and sorcerors, you gonna understand why you have all thoose feats! ;)

I am in that category... I am deeply disappointed in 3rd edition.
If anybody can tell me why I should bother playing a "vanilla" character class in 3rd ed... and because of this I will be giving a really severe look-see to NWN before plunking down cash on it that might be better spent on herbs for another jow.

Actually, those of us who are old hands in PnP in my area have started going way back to basic dnd, which had minimal mechanics and put all the emphasis on roleplaying... why getting special abilities for being a mercenary/sellsword, as opposed to a local lord's loyal retainer, is beyond me...