OK, right now I am In chapter 3 and am doing the shadow thieves quests. I am on the one where you have to find the traitors in the shadow theives and meet there contact "gracen" and I have done this quest severel times before. Supposedley I am supposed to use the conversation threads "3,3,1" (According to Dan Simpsons FAQ), they will then reveal the name of the conctact, I am supposed to kill them and then gracen shows up. But no matter what I do, gracen will not show up. I have done all the possible conversation threads and have waited and left my game on severel hours. My game is fully patched and has the kelsey mod installed. If it makes any difference I am currently playing a solo kensai/mage. If anyone could help it would be greatly appricitated, or if maybye someone could give the console for gracen (which I have looked for and am currently unable to find) so I could just make him apear there. Thanks a lot for helping.

Do have a baldurdash fixpack? Are you sure you have the quest? If not, try to restart the game or reinstall it.

No matter what dialouges you pick, Gracen should show up. Have you tried reloading and trying again? Do have all the patches + baldurdash?

You shouldn't have to wait more than a couple of seconds for Gracen to show up.

<span style="color: lightblue">I seem to remember having to walk back out into the hallway. That is, to go outside the room where Jalos and Cahen were. Don't just stand in there, or he will never 'hear the rucus from the street'... which is odd, when you think about it [img]tongue.gif[/img]

how can some of the veterans here say 'start over' so casually?? lol

Starting over isn't a hard thing to do, Rockstar. I've started again from around chapter 4 several times recently :D But yeah it does get teeeeddddiiiiioooossss doing the same things over and over. That's why i use lots of mods and a different class style everytime until i find one i like.

Yeah I REALLY dont want to start over. Ive done almost every quest in amn. I am sure I have the quest, I am sure I have the patches, but I dont have baldurdash, I'll try getting that and see waht it does.

First thing to do when you hit a bug: Reload. Try your Autosave first, then your next oldest Save, no matter how far back it is.

LennonCook's mention of walking back out into the hallway is spot-on. Sometimes, script-driven NPCs aren't able to walk if they aren't in the party's sight range (such as Kamir in the Graveyard District). Don't ask me why.

If you absolutely <u>have</u> to cheat, the Guild Contact's creature name is BODFGT03.

I tried walking out to the hallways but to no effect. And my last save before the auto and quicksave was before my kensai dueled to mage, but it worked with the creature name. Thanks a lot SixOfSpades :D but if you dont mind me asking, where did you get that creature name? I looked everywhere but couldnt find it.