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Felix The Assassin 06-18-2009 04:03 PM

These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Democrat Approved
These Are Obama's Wars Now
By JOSHUA FRANK

It’s time to toss those Obama t-shirts in the trash.

On Monday the Democrat controlled House voted 226-202 to approve a rushed $106 billion dollar war spending bill, guaranteeing more carnage in Iraq and Afghanistan (and lately Pakistan) until September 30, 2009, which marks the end of the budget year. The Senate voted overwhelmingly in favor of the bill’s first draft last month, with the final vote on a compromised version to occur in the Senate sometime in the next couple of weeks.

The majority of opposition in the House came from Republicans who opposed an add-on to the bill that would open up a $5 billion International Monetary Fund line of credit for developing countries. This opposition in the House led Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday to quip, “It'll be interesting to see what happens here. Are my Republican colleagues [in the Senate] going to join with us to fund the troops? I hope so.”

No longer can the blame for the turmoil in Iraq and Afghanistan rest at the feet of George W. Bush alone. This is now Obama’s War on Terror, fully funded and operated by the Democratic Party.

The bill that passed the House on Monday, once approved by the Senate, will not be part of the regular defense budget as it’s off the books entirely. Following the attacks on September 11, 2001, Congress has passed similar emergency spending bills to finance US military ventures in the Middle East. The combined “supplementals” are fast approaching $1 trillion, with 30% going to fund the war in Afghanistan.

In addition to the latest increase in war funds, Obama is also asking for an additional $130 billion to be added on to the defense budget for the new fiscal year starting on October 1. The president is upholding his campaign promise to escalate the war in Afghanistan, which also means increasing the use of remote controlled drone planes in neighboring Pakistan that are to blame for hundreds of civilian deaths since Obama took office last January.

Despite Obama’s historic (albeit rhetoric filled) speech in Cairo, the new Commander in Chief is still not about to radically change, let alone reform, the US’s long-standing role in the Middle East. A master of his craft, Obama is simply candy coating the delivery of US imperialism in the region. Given the lack of opposition to Obama’s policies back home, it is becoming clear that he may well be more dangerous than his predecessor when it comes to the US’s motivations internationally.

Had Bush pushed for more military funds at this stage, the antiwar movement (if you can call it that) would have been organizing opposition weeks in advance, calling out the neocons for wasting our scarce tax dollars during a recession on a never-ending, directionless war. But since Obama’s a Democrat, a beloved one at that, mums the word.

Certainly a few progressive Democrats are dismayed by what the Obama administration is up to, but how many of these Democrats that are upset now will be willing to break rank and oppose their party when it matters most, like during the midterm elections coming up next year? Obama had the majority of antiwar support shored up while he ran for the presidency, with absolutely no demands put on his candidacy. And not surprisingly, antiwar progressives have little to show for their fawning support.

All this begs a few questions: If not now, when exactly will Obama’s policies be scrutinized with the same veracity that Bush’s were? When will the media end its love affair with Obama and hold his feet to the fire like they did Bush once the wheels fell off the war in Iraq? When will progressives see their issues as paramount and oppose Obama and the Democratic Party until they embrace their concerns?

If these questions are not answered soon, we are in many more years of war and bloodshed, funded by US taxpayers and approved by a Democrat controlled White House and Congress.

SpiritWarrior 06-18-2009 04:51 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
They were his the moment he inherited them....?

Chewbacca 06-18-2009 05:06 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Your not happy Felix? Or are you just laying bait so you can show the placement of some rear-ends for fun and amusement?

Chewbacca 06-18-2009 05:10 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1231357)
They were his the moment he inherited them....?

Proof the media's opinionators really do not need logic to attempt at argument. As long as some partisan points are scored who cares?

Firestormalpha 06-18-2009 06:01 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1231357)
They were his the moment he inherited them....?

In a word... yes.

For example we'll use retail management. One Store Manager runs things poorly, as a result the store is in the crapper and they get a new manager. It is now the new managers responsibility to fix it. If he doesn't it's now his fault.

It's not fair, but it's the way things work.

SpiritWarrior 06-18-2009 06:08 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Firestormalpha (Post 1231360)
In a word... yes.

For example we'll use retail management. One Store Manager runs things poorly, as a result the store is in the crapper and they get a new manager. It is now the new managers responsibility to fix it. If he doesn't it's now his fault.

It's not fair, but it's the way things work.

It wasn't a question. It was a statement with a question mark at the end, asking what the point is of stating the obvious. We knew what he was inheriting the day he took the job. 2 wars and a fuxxed up economy.

Firestormalpha 06-18-2009 06:09 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Ah, my appologies then.

Luvian 06-18-2009 08:49 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Felix The Assassin (Post 1231354)
A master of his craft, Obama is simply candy coating the delivery of US imperialism in the region.

Ah, it is nice of you Felix to finally admit Bush's whole Iraq thing was really about Imperialism, and not about freedom. :)

John D Harris 06-18-2009 11:12 PM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SpiritWarrior (Post 1231361)
It wasn't a question. It was a statement with a question mark at the end, asking what the point is of stating the obvious. We knew what he was inheriting the day he took the job. 2 wars and a fuxxed up economy.

Ahh true he did inherit them, that is until sept 11. Which is the date that most of the liberals here said and blamed the terrorist attacks on Bush. If anyone doubts me do a search in the archives here. :P All during the fall of 2001 I had to listen to the liberals blame Bush, even through the evidence clearly pointed to failure of his predicessor. Now folks the chickens are coming home to roost, enjoy the summer, because on Sept 11, 2009 by the logic and reasoning used to attack Bush, IT'S President Obama's Baby from that day on. :D That is unless folks want to admitt they are being partisain. ;)
:edit: More accurately the war forum achives

SpiritWarrior 06-19-2009 01:24 AM

Re: These Are Obama's Wars Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John D Harris (Post 1231368)
Ahh true he did inherit them, that is until sept 11. Which is the date that most of the liberals here said and blamed the terrorist attacks on Bush. If anyone doubts me do a search in the archives here. :P All during the fall of 2001 I had to listen to the liberals blame Bush, even through the evidence clearly pointed to failure of his predicessor. Now folks the chickens are coming home to roost, enjoy the summer, because on Sept 11, 2009 by the logic and reasoning used to attack Bush, IT'S President Obama's Baby from that day on. :D That is unless folks want to admitt they are being partisain. ;)
:edit: More accurately the war forum achives

Not another angry neocon I hope :). Well, this has all been dredged up before, and certain people continue to seem to want to dredge it up again. Rather than subject General Discussion to the insanity that is arguing with the "extreme right", I would direct you to look in the archives. This point you bring up has been discussed exactly, albeit with a dash of nuerosis added in, but still, it has been discussed and discussed some more. To put it in a nutshell, this subject is yet again "More of the same".

Look in the history of GE which was Current Events but recently became merged. If you are really having trouble, PM me, I could probably find the thread in question with some digging.


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