We forget what a smart old bird Ronnie really was.

No arsenal, or no weapon in the arsenals of the world,
is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men
and women." - Ronald Reagan

"Here's my strategy on the Cold War: We win, they lose." -
Ronald Reagan

"The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from
the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant:
It's just that they know so much that isn't so." -
Ronald Reagan

"Of the four wars in my lifetime none came about
because the U.S. was too strong." - Ronald Reagan

"I have wondered at times about what the Ten Commandment's would
have looked like if Moses had run them through the U.S.
Congress." -
Ronald Reagan

"The taxpayer: That's someone who works for the federal government
but doesn't have to take the civil service examination." - Ronald
Reagan

"Government is like a baby: An alimentary canal with a big appetite at
one end and no sense of responsibility at the other."
- Ronald Reagan

"If we ever forget that we're one nation under God,
then we will be a nation gone under." - Ronald Reagan

"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on
this earth is a government program." - Ronald Reagan

"I've laid down the law, though, to everyone from now on about
anything that happens: no matter what time it is, wake
me. even if it's in the middle of a Cabinet meeting." -
Ronald Reagan

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I
have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the
first." -
Ronald Reagan

"Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few
short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps
moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." -
Ronald Reagan

"Politics is not a bad profession. If you succeed there are many
rewards, if you disgrace yourself you can always write a book." -
Ronald Reagan

He was funny at times, certainly.

"It's true hard work never killed anybody, but I figure, why take the chance?"

"I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself."

"I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency — even if I'm in a Cabinet meeting."

"How can a president not be an actor?" -when asked "How could an actor become president?"

"Politics is just like show business. You have a hell of an opening, coast for a while, and then have a hell of a close."
--Ronald Reagan to aide Stuart Spencer, 1966

[ 10-23-2004, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Lucern ]

Reagan was great in many ways. I think I have one of his quotes in my sig.

<font color=lightblue>Some of them are really funny. I especially like this one: "I'm from
the government and I'm here to help." - Ronald Reagan
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[ 10-24-2004, 06:26 AM: Message edited by: Xen ]

I use this quote today... but few of the youngsters get it.

Reagan was certainly very intelligent, quick witted and charismatic. If he could have tempered his conservative view with just a little liberalism, he would have probably been one of our greatest presidents.

<font face="COMIC Sans MS" size="3" color="#7c9bc4">As to the first question in your Sig TL....according to the official numbers (as opposed to Kerry numbers) there is actually less. It seems that JK doesnt acknowledge the Self Employed people as having jobs....sort of like how his wife doesn't see teaching or being a Librarian a job...or being a house wife for that matter.</font>

Nope. The numbers are the numbers. If J. Kerry feels the need to distort them to be worse than what they are (which I admit he does), then that's fine to take issue with. But, there has still been a net job loss, even counting the self-employed.

Now, make sure any numbers you cite don't fudge by taking all those people who fled back to school off the "unemployed list." This is where I find the most "fudging" of numbers. I have a friend who lost his tech service job (to India, of course) and went back to school to learn accupuncture and Chinese medicine because he couldn't get a job and needed to do *something.* Turns out going back onto the Student Financial Aid rolls for a few years is a way to avoid poverty/homelessness that *many* people have taken once their jobs went *poof.*

Just look at the rise in enrollments in colleges, and not just the Stanfords and State Schools, which are always packed to capacity, but at the tech schools, the vocational schools, and the "for profit" schools.

And, each of these people who flee to academia are taken off the unemployment rolls. That's not a Bush policy, it's just the way the government accounts for it.

And, it's lying to ourselves about the severity of the job market in our country. Things are not good.

[ 10-26-2004, 01:23 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

<font face="COMIC Sans MS" size="3" color="#7c9bc4">The latest numbers out of the Government office for tracking employment (read it several days ago in the Wasington Times) were that the adjusted numbers after corrections and new reports, were a net gain since 9/11 You cannot blame the million jobs lost in the travel industry due to 9/11 on the Administration as no administration could have averted that.

I would post a link but I don't have one nor the time to search for it just now...so believe me or not. *shrug* Just thought I would relate what the "official" numbers say (according to the Post)...from the same source as the numbers used by Clinton during both his terms.

A second source (I believe it was factcheck but don't recall)said that if you adjust the numbers INCLUDING the 9/11 fall out then we are down roughly 860,000 ...about half of what JK is claiming. If you discount the 9/11 figures then we are in the plus column. So I suppose you CAN blame the loss of jobs due to 9/11 on Bush...but that would be like blaming a volcano erruption on the mayor.
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[ 10-26-2004, 02:30 PM: Message edited by: MagiK ]

MagiK, you rock, you're awesome. But perhaps I can recommend a book to you, because I don't think you're getting through to these people:

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/14...1.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

Hey, it might help.