If it was on eBay, they're pulling them back off as fast as they can find them. They WILL NOT accept auction listings for anything like this. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif Rest easy, my friend. If someone ELSE is allowing such an auction in an "eBay" fashion, e-mail directly to the company that hosts the auctions. They'll stop it. If it's ON eBay, e-mail them immediately and they'll pull it.

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I salute you Ramon. I salute your willingness to openly and honestly face the truth regarding a dark episode in your country's history.

Your example is something that a lot of people in the world could learn from, including many of my own countrymen.

On that, I must agree with you on both points, Dio. (Hey, it's cool to be on the same wavelength as you for a change http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif.) {or is it just SCARY ooooooh!) http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...l_laughter.gif

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"Allright! We'll call it a draw."

"I'm INVINCIBLE! ... You're a LOONEY!"

Dare to dream. Be bold enough to try.

The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c)

*Newly abducted - er, inducted - member of the HADB clan. Mage extraordinair.*

[This message has been edited by DragonMage (edited 09-14-2001).]

their kinda overeacting.....

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You too, DragonMage. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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[This message has been edited by Ramon de Ramon y Ramon (edited 09-14-2001).]

Well, it is true that I have been taking an uncompromising position regarding aspects and implications of the terrorist attack.

The reason is that I feel it is vitally important to draw the right conclusions from this terrible episode, and that I fear we won't.

The idea, held by many (perhaps most) of my countrymen, that this is a simple case of black and white, of good vs evil (to quote our president), of a totally innocent united states inexplicably attacked by insane fanatics is just more of the same old blind and historically ignorant attitude that got us into this mess to start with.

Until we face, openly and honestly, the role that our own policies and actions have played in making so many people hate us, we can only expect more of the same in the future.

I take a strong stance on this issue, and intentionally try to provoke people to think about it, precisely because the stakes are so high, precisely because I do not want my children, my friends, or anybody else to be victims of such things in the future.

Actually, DragonMage, it puzzles me why you keep hinting that we are usually on the opposite sides of issues. That is not my perception at all. Oh well. *shrugs*

Nothing personal darlin'. Just that in one or two threads, we've had differing views. I don't mean "butting heads" as a negative thing (surprisingly). I personally view that as having differing views that both sides are unwilling to yield. The "agree to disagree" thing. That's all. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif And sometimes, we think the same way (which SCARES ME - ooooooooooooh). http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif j/k

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"I'm INVINCIBLE! ... You're a LOONEY!"

Dare to dream. Be bold enough to try.

The day we stop learning is the day we start dying!(c)

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[This message has been edited by DragonMage (edited 09-14-2001).]

You talk as if the problem were something external, which the "superpowers" struggled heroically to save the world from. It would be far more accurate to say that they themselves WERE the problem.

Ah, well, not up for debating it right now. Another time.

[This message has been edited by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown (edited 09-14-2001).]

Have you even bothered to pay attention to the fact that almost the whole world is with us in this?

By the way, I'd be curious to know if you think we should play, say, hopscotch with terrorists just to keep them from getting MAD at us. Heaven forbid we tick anyone off, they may bomb us. Next time you piss someone off, or that you hate someone, will you bomb them too? If you do, is it justified? I'd hate to be your neighbor! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

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