He said there will be no difference between how we handle the terrorists and those who harbor them. How do you spell Afghanistan?

He just told us that if Afghanistan helpbed harbor bin laden (I know I misspelled) then we will be at war with the country as well as the actual terrorists who committed the deed.

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then again, there is no proof yet that it was Bin Ladin.

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Oh, I know. I think it was a hint though, designed to let the idea sink in with the American people. He used the word "harbor". I can't think of to many known organizations where that word would apply.

I do know that we have no idea who it is yet. I'm not jumping to conclusions, I'm just sharing my thoughts of his speech.

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Iraq.

thats a tricky one ss4.........

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I honestly don't know. Are there many terrorist organizations in Iraq. I only knew of the government.

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It was a major warning.........to whoever did it.....

I think he just wanted to give a warning, we will brook no interference on finding the people responsible, and helping these people is going to be a BAD move. Everyone seems to have forgotten what we did to libya for helping terroists

Iraq has motive to help terrorist intent on attacking the U.S. Afganistan relies on international relief aid giving them has alot to lose and little to gain, either politically and economicly.

first of all, if he has any prove, he wouldn't public it on TV and let the terroist know "yo, I am coming to get ya!"

secondly, how can he get prove so fast? anyone enlighten me here? give me some first hand information, report or whatever. he is just speaking for speaking's sake. they might have some guesses, but guesses, that is all.

and I am sorry to say, he is NOT a good speaker. I was expecting him to waves, demands justice, be passionate, determinance... anyway, I cannot find any of those words appliable to this guy, expcept "acting"

I honestly wasn't horribly impressed with the speach either, but what can you do? Anyways, you are right, we don't have proof yet. I am sure intelligence has suspicions, but it's probably not any more then that.


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yep

just think about who is to gain in this attack?
they attacked our way of life, HOW WELL SAID! fear is already spreading, many offices stopped running, prices soaring/dropping, students stopped going to school, workers stopped going to factory, federal government evacuated... that just might be the purpose, you know? to strike fear into a nation who claims freedom, peace and opportunity

I'm not gonna knock anyone for their opinion of bush, but i'm gonna avoid flaming him til tomorrow atleast. Today we must stand together and support one another, even Bush. Besides, I think he was sad. I am.

I'm standing right there with you brother.



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me too, I am not American, but I am with you for the sake of humanity

ill be here supporting America in the only way i can. im with you guys, and i think we should all band together.

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I was listening to the radio on the way back from work today. I heard the entire Congress singing God Bless America in front of the Capitol Building with their arms joined. A spokesman said that today there are no republicans or democrats, only Americans, and they all stand behind the president. Just imagine, 100 congressmen holding hands singing! Seriously, it almost brought tears to my eyes. We do have something to fight for.

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Amen, Milamber. Thank You.

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yes!!!! all praise to american people!

it is so wonderful to see compassion and carings in people!

No 250, we're all in this together. It's not just Americans. This will effect everybody. It's about the free world. You're standing there with us buddy.


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don't get me wrong, I love American as people OF ALL COLOR! they represent not only a diversity but an IDEA, a VISION!

I've never seen people showing so much compassion, caring, and concerns about others' well-being. it is just so wonderful! and that is why USA is one of the world's leading nation! (hey, no political debate here!)

and of course, I am with ya!



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It did bring tears to my eyes. As with any family we scrap amounst ourselves, but when we need too, we come together.



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I missed that. But I totally agree with that sentiment. I dont believe in God, but Bless America!!!

I know other Americans here in Singapore who started playing the Star Spangled Banner..
Who is to gain? We may never know the motivations or the impact this has on the world, but one thing for sure is that the people who did this must believe very much in their cause..what kind of groups, nations or people could inspire such blind suicidal devotion?
We will never know what people gain in the end, but we WILL know the people who gained out of it! Count on that!

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Am I the only one who likes Bush here?

I cant for the life of me figure out what is wrong with him. Even if he isnt a great speaker (Actually I didnt see anything wrong with the spech) neither was our 'last one' .

He has soo much more morals then Cilton. Sure you can bring up his 'wild college days'. But 95% of college students are wild.

AND atleast he didnt do all the wild stuff IN THE WHITE HOUSE. That insulted all of america. It set the tone for america that we are a bunch of indecent idoits.

If you ganna be president, have some morals.

Now, lets see who all will argue with me on this one..

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Hey Grand-Ranger! I'm rather impressed with Bush right now. He seems to be doing a good job of handling this.

If we go to war with Afghanistan, chances are, all of our allies will join in, basically meaning all of NATO. I don't think Afghanistan could really stand up to a determined assault by that kind of force.

Personally, right now I think war with Afghanistan is VERY likely. Our whole stance and Bush's speech basically made that very clear. He said "...and those who harbor them." Well, that kind of points directly at Afghanistan and Bin Laden. I'm not absolutely sure what I think of who did this at this point though. I really don't want to guess without any hard evidence supporting it.

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A terrorists aim is to inspire terror, to disrupt peoples lives. This is something Western nations have not had to deal with directly for a number of years. The methods employed are similar to those of a certain middle eastern terrorist organisation whom is sheltered by a certain Islamic government. Despite the methods used in suicide bombing these people are not stupid, quite often they are university educated individuals who believe in what they are doing to be the right thing, or indoctrinated into believing in such. My most heartfelt sympathy goes out to all those who have been victims in this horrific event and hope those guilty of such crimes against humanity are held accountable.

No GR, you're not the only one. I've been in a couple of knock downs over it today. So FWIW...I'm with you.

I am an avid supporter of our president. i stand behind him all the way. he is the best that can be done in this unprecidented situation.


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Have we got proof that it was Afghanistan? And even if it is, there are thousands (heck, millions) of innocent people in Afghanistan, people who had nothing at all to do with this. Blame the government if you want, but don't blame the entire population of the country!

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Exactly!!!! You know what is wrong with that little line "and those that harbour them"? As soon as you declare war on a country or nuke them simply because they support the terrorists, you are just as inhuman as the terrorists who attacked and ruined America yesterday. You know what the difference is between the USA and the Middle East terrorists? YOU are the good guys, you still act on morals and ethics. As soon as you lose that (by avenging yourselves on the innocent) they WILL have won! Why do you think it's so hard to be the good guys? Because you just cannot nuke the entire Middle East, even when you know the ones responsible are being harboured there. Because you still have -or should have- enough compassion in your hearts not to wipe out innocent people, even if it would mean you get the terrorists as well. The terrorists HAVE no morals, not a grain of respect for the preciousness of a human life. It makes them no more than beasts.



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Afghan defence Minister Said:
"you can't attack a graveyard" Afghan's children are dying of US sanctions.
The Taliban or any other terrorist org is US's target not the innocent citizens.
They didn't choose to live there.

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Yesterday in a TV interview Stormin' Norman said about the difference between us and terrorists!
In Desert Storm we tried our best not to hurt the civilians, it wasn't easy and we weren't always successful, but we tried. These "bastards" (his word) had no problem killing innocents. That is the difference. Brokaw (sp?) was speechless for several seconds.

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How many "ways of life" have the Americans actively tried to obliterate during their reign as a super-power? For the past 50 years the Americans have been subjugating without relent populations all of the middle-East, South-east Asia, South-America and the Pacific all because their own indiginous 'ways of life' don't coincide with the Way of Life that brings profit and international influence to America. Islam, Communism, Anarcho-syndicalism, all have become demonized by an American Federal institution. A Pity that so many people have been brainwashed into thinking that America are the undeniable good-guys, and that they stand for 'freedom'. You are free, so long as you do as America tells you.

Well now it looks like someone has given America their thanks for all the self-righteousness they have sold to the world.

Luther, how many of us Americans have done what you say? How many people in the Twin towers were guilty?

Mark

As an expatriate American here in Australia I am right there with you. The world is with us. This was a crime against humanity, against innocent people whose only "crime" was to turn up to do their day's work. This has been on talkback radio all day here in Sydney and all the stations have been swamped with callers. One major TV station has suspended regular programming to provide constant coverage of this tragedy.

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Luther, are you in some way implying that America deserved what happened yesterday?

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How many Saudi Arabian/Iraqui civilians could give a shit about the oil that America covets and thrives on and has sanctioned off their communities and condemned to starvation because of? Not many, but everything you have you owe to (your computer, your car, your electric dishwasher) subjugation. Your way of life (and mine too) thrives on their misery. All I'm saying is that now that they have finally fought back and damaged American soil people are shocked and amazed, as if they have done nothing to deserve it.

You are way out of line here, mate.

First of all, who is "they"? Do you know something we don't? I didn't hear anything saying that Arabs/Iraqis were responsible. For all we know Israeli militants could have been responsible. Secondly, this quote from you:

Do you truly mean this? So now everyone's square, is that what you're saying? America persecutes the world, so they deserve to get 15,000 people killed and they shouldn't complain about it, because they had it coming. Is this what I'm hearing from you?

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Certainly not. I know this is an emotional time and anguish is running high (I nearly lost my sister to this, but luckily she was a few blocks away). All I'm saying is that before you condemn the evil of others, you have to realize your own evil (even if you never before saw it as such). A terrible tragedy has occured here, but in order for this sort of thing to not happen again then a SERIOUS look at how America has treated the rest of the world up until now has to be taken. I have a habit of generalizing things, perhaps to an unfair extent, but still. Every action has a reaction.