Yeah I know, it's way off topic and belongs elsewhere but a chat with the Black Knight and Cloudbringer prompted this post so I'm blaming them. http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

I've posted it in the BG2 forum too but I know the old hands are in here a hell of a lot.

THIEF SKILLS
Some are ok and I understand both the attribute and the need to increase your proficiency in some of them. Others on the other hand are mind boggling and I can see neither the use or point of their implementation. In the skills to which you can add points to on level up you will see -

Move Silently. Err why?

If you can move silently and creep up on someone from behind then surely you should also be able to backstab them without the need for shadows. If I was never to put a point into any other skill bar move silently how will this help my thief? Is it possible that even though my thief has 200% (for example) in hide in shadows that he can be heard approaching...I think not.

Checking in the manual for answers only served to increase my confusion. Page 124 of the English manual lists all the thieving base scores as follows -

Pick Pockets - 15%
Open Locks - 10%
Find/Remove traps - 5%
Move Silently - 10%
Hide in Shadows - 5%
Detect Noise - 15%
Climb Walls - 60%
Read Languages - 0%

Well I'm baffled by some of them and their % figures. Even though I can't see or figure out the points behind their inclusion my logical head says there must be a reason. Going on the above base scores I must assume that my thief (providing he's sober and rested) has a 10% chance to silently climb a wall to sit upon in order to read a book or scroll that he's stolen. He has a 40% chance of falling off of the wall, and should he make it to the top of the wall he has absolutely no chance to read the stolen tome anyway. If he does make it safely to the top he then has a 15% chance of hearing any other thieves climbing up the opposite side of the wall in order to peruse their stolen undecipherable tomes too. Any ideas?

Baffled from London.

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One love, peace.

Yes, beer is the answer and a lot of it. Dont let the manual fool you, keep the party drunk. A drunken party is a happy party. Just my drunken thoughts on the matter and I'm drunkenly sticking to it. Obviously I have been no help whatsoever*grin*

Nope, that is sound, solid good advice LoA and one which I try to mantain at all times. A moment of excruciating sobriety allowed the reading of said passage........... and what a mistake that was.



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I agree with LoA, keep your thieves drunk at all times so when they do fall off said wall it won't hurt as much. You forgot to mention whether the wall was trapped and whether you were on the shadowed side or not.

Oh were there any locks embedded in the wall too?
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Peace and hair grease

[This message has been edited by turbovee (edited 03-19-2001).]

LOL Turbovee.

When do you leave to go mate?

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Oh my...someone let Charlie out of the padded cell! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...miles/wink.gif

ROTFL, Charlie, ROTFL!!!!!!!! Turbo, the shadowed side or trapped? LOLOLOLOL

Oh heavens...our thief might actually TRY to climb a wall now...egads! Someone give that guy a drink, NOW!!!!


Starbringer, looking for the nearest pub http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...les/tongue.gifartygirl:

I leave tomorrow, but I'm packing up and going on board at around 4AM. I'm spending a few hours with my friends on the board, then the evening with the wife, some sleep, and away I go. I asked if I could mention what I did when I get back, but it's a no-no. Gotta stay tight lipped on this one.

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Ok mate, but you'll only be telling me, how will anyone else find out?

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Yes, if you post a reply to Charlie how would we know? Its not like we read all the posts or anything? Oh yea, I once had a secret clearance so give it up Turbo. Thank you-Mr Robert Hannson, FBI

Yes, but if Cloudy finds out, the whole world will know! http://www.tgeweb.com/ironworks/cgi-...es/biggrin.gif

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