i meant it was nice that we're not sitting on our hands like we usually do, waiting for him to strike again. if we dont move now, how many more innocent people do you think will die? there were alreadh over 6k in the WTC attacks, and he also attacked the ebassy's in Africa, i dont remember how many people died there but im sure it was quite a few! if we dont strike now, who's to say how many more will die because of our inactivity?

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What a great copy of the photo in my morning paper, Zman. I like your caption a hell of a lot better, though! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif
may I *ahem* 'borrow' your concept?http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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To Err is Human To Forgive Divine, However Neither is U.S. Marine Corps Policy. Nuke'm til the damn camels glow.

You are right about the other side of the coin. Many do want to join, not all of the refuges are women and children, the Northern Alliance is not made up of only women and children. I'll bet that many that are forced into service go AWOL when they get the chance.


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are deeds of a man in his prime"

Holy Cow!!!
I just read past Dan's post to everything else. I have to admit that I just do not understand those of you who do not want us to attack because there may lives of people not actively involved in orchestrating the sneak attack. Innocent children, women and men may die - they already have, as Moridin pointed out.
Here's a little factoid for digestion,those of you who wish to not do anything:
in just two of the hundreds of companies in the towers (saw this this morning on fox pregame nfl show, of all places) Boomer Esiason was a quarterback in the nfl, and has a child with a congenital birth defect, cerebral palsy, cystic fibrosis, something that guarantees an early death at this point, and a painful life up to that point. He established a foundation to generate revenue for reseach into cures for this condition, knowing that his son will die before a cure can be found, realistically speaking. His offices were with the Cantor-Fitzgerald floors of the tower, ones that were directly struck by the plane in tower 1. The death toll was almost 100% (only employees not there survived) the over 700 people in JUST THOSE TWO COMPANIES left over 1200 fully or partially ORPHANED CHILDREN!!!! by my extrapolation, with over 6500 dead, from all over the world, means something like 12,000 (TWELVE THOUSAND) instant orphans and widows(ers) were created in over 80 countries world wide. So, how do you like them now? wanna natter at me, JD, Moridin, and others whose passion you just can't seem to grasp? I do not know, other than Tobbin, who else on the board has lost friends and family, but even if I had not, You would not see any less passion out of me, nor will you. Shame for hiding behind innocents - we have lost more than those jihad jerks in the last 20 years, hardly any of them even connected to the military.

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To Err is Human To Forgive Divine, However Neither is U.S. Marine Corps Policy. Nuke'm til the damn camels glow.

that's very sad indeed. however, you seem perfectly happy to indulge a few more orphans in the world.

there is no absolute answer. however, retaliation does not even come close to helping the situation one iota. all it will do is aggravate the current crisis and add a few more corpses. cool your heels and use your logic circuits.

tracey!

Sounds like those of us who want peace, are the bad guys lately. No one ever said let it go, what I say is, get bin Laden, just try not remove Afghanistan from the map!

Mark

Force won't get bin Laden, Ziroc. Don't even hope. All it will do is kill and maim thousands of people who have already suffered at the hands of Russia, the Taliban, et al, until they have NOTHING. Not even sufficient food for another month, and all the aid agencies pulling out. How CAN we attack those people? It is worse than shameful, imho. It's inhuman.
It is a brilliant photo, but I'm afraid it makes me feel very sick. Nothing personal.

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<font color=orange>We can not set back and let him strike again later. Too many have died already. To me that is logic. I agree with John D. We will not carpet bomb Afganistan. What would that do? My guess is the Northern Alliance is about to get a whole lot of help, including economic aid. We will provide training and leadership, close aerial support and anything else they need. We will shutdown the borders around Afganistan as best we can, take out the Taliban with their own people, and get Bin Laden in the end. We cannot go into Afganistan and occupy it. History has proven that. Ask the Russians. The Afgan government problem must be dealt with from within (with a little bit of help from us). This time, I hope we do things right and don't walk away from Afganistan after the fight is over, but stay and provide economic support and humanitarian aid. That's what we didn't do the first time.

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If they take my gun can I still use my Axe?

Ergo, war > peace!

Mark

John? Remember? 'love your enemies'. 'Vengeance is MINE, I will repay, saith the Lord'

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