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norompanlasolas 09-09-2002 04:48 AM

one of the finest intellectuals and writers of the usa, being witch-hunted now by the conservative inteligentzia because of her insightful views on 9-11 and the "war on terrorism" of bushie. so, have any of you read or heard about her? what do you think?

johnny 09-09-2002 05:43 AM

Do you have a link or something, so i can read some of her stuff ?

skywalker 09-09-2002 05:58 AM

I guess this may be one of the pieces she wrote to become "witch-hunted":

Susan Sontag, The New Yorker, September 24, 2001



The disconnect between last Tuesday's monstrous dose of reality and the self-righteous drivel and outright deceptions being peddled by public figures and TV commentators is startling, depressing. The voices licensed to follow the event seem to have joined together in a campaign to infantilize the public. Where is the acknowledgement that this was not a "cowardly" attack on "civilization" or "liberty" or "humanity" or "the free world" but an attack on the world's self-proclaimed super-power, undertaken as a consequence of specific American alliances and actions? How many citizens are aware of the ongoing American bombing of Iraq? And if the word "cowardly" is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who kill from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those willing to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a morally neutral virtue): whatever may be said of the perpetrators of Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards.

Our leaders are bent on convincing us that everything is O.K. America is not afraid. Our spirit is unbroken, although this was a day that will live in infamy and America is now at war. But everything is not O.K. And this was not Pearl Harbor. We have a robotic president who assures us that America stands tall. A wide spectrum of public figures, in and out of office, who are strongly opposed to the policies being pursued abroad by this Administration apparently feel free to say nothing more than that they stand united behind President Bush. A lot of thinking needs to be done, and perhaps is being done in Washington and elsewhere, about the ineptitude of American intelligence and counter-intelligence, about options available to American foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, and about what constitutes a smart program of military defense. But the public is not being asked to bear much of the burden of reality. The unanimously applauded, self-congratulatory bromides of a Soviet Party Congress seemed contemptible. The unanimity of the sanctimonious, reality-concealing rhetoric spouted by American officials and media commentators in recent days seems, well, unworthy of a mature democracy.

Those in public office have let us know that they consider their task to be a manipulative one: confidence-building and grief management. Politics, the politics of a democracy--which entails disagreement, which promotes candor--has been replaced by psychotherapy. Let's by all means grieve together. But let's not be stupid together. A few shreds of historical awareness might help us to understand what has just happened, and what may continue to happen. "Our country is strong", we are told again and again. I for one don't find this entirely consoling. Who doubts that America is strong? But that's not all America has to be.


Mark

norompanlasolas 09-09-2002 02:52 PM

yep, thats one of them.

T/-/alali 09-09-2002 03:11 PM

Wow. Witch hunted.

Dreamer128 09-09-2002 03:17 PM

I like her already :D

MagiK 09-09-2002 03:20 PM

<font color="#55aacc"> She doesnt sound insightful, intellectual or particularly good at being objective. She sounds like a rather spite filled officious and pompous person who hates her country and everything it stands for. But thats just my opinion of her.....I had that opinion before the listed article too though. I never liked her views (big surprise there).

On top of that she was crude enough to not even wait a decent amount of time for people to get over their shock before writing that inflamatory piece o' crap!

Just my opinion and I know how much you value that ;) </font>

MagiK 09-09-2002 03:23 PM

<font color="#55aacc"> Just out of curiosity how is she being witch hunted? is she being threatened with a burning at the stake? And plese document how "bushie" is opressing her. Did he file a lawsuit? or did he just have her assassinated by the secret service? has he dispatched the black helicopters for her?

Yeah I know that sounds pretty sarcastic, but the request for information is real none the less. </font>

Dreamer128 09-09-2002 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by MagiK:
<font color="#55aacc"> Just out of curiosity how is she being witch hunted? is she being threatened with a burning at the stake? And plese document how "bushie" is opressing her. Did he file a lawsuit? or did he just have her assassinated by the secret service? has he dispatched the black helicopters for her?
</font>

Well... I actually do believe.. (*gunshots followed by an uneasy silence..)

skywalker 09-09-2002 04:20 PM

In case anyone is interested, read a short bio here: http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/sontag.htm

Mark


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