Ok, here goes...

I have restarted another game with a Mage ( conjurer ) Half-Elf and now I'm in a dilemma. I don't want to restart the game since I'm pretty far in the quests, but I know I made bad choice. Obviously, Dual-classing kicks butt, but since I'm a half-elf I can't do it. Now that I have all the char available, I'm wondering which would be the best party formation to go with my mage. What I have right now :

Mage lvl 14 Half-elf Conjurer
Keldorn With Carsomyr +5, Kangaxx ring ,gauntlet of dex, red dragon scale armor
and girdle of hill giant
Viconia -9 AC Flail of the ages, shield of armony
Yoshimo with bow
Jaheira ( ughh..)
Edwin ( I cant understand how come he got more spell slots then me since we are the same class with same stats ! )

Keldorn is quite the fighter clearing anything in his way but it would be great to have some immunity against domination and death spell. Viconia is in my opinion the best cleric in the game. She got great spells but is a kick ass fighter once she has flail of the age and some object to boost str to 18+ ( Can't wait to put the Crom hammer in her hands )Edwin his a great spell caster but I already got one in my party and I was wondering if you could dual class him. Jaheira and Yoshimo... now thos two I'm wondering what the hell I should do with them ?
Anyway I know that I had made mistakes but I don't have the time to restart the game and I was just wondering if anyone out there would know a way to fix the mess I created in the first place ! Thanks !
madrigan@sympatico.ca

Well, I am kind of in the same boat as you. I am a human mage, and didn't start out fighter and dual like I should have, but don't worry about it, mages get kick ass powerful anyway, it is not a big deal, especially if you focus more on spells anyway. To answer your question, Edwin has more spells and lore than you because of his amulet, which is totally unfair, because it makes him a better mage than the pc no matter what. Anyway, I would get a little more muscle in your party, but other than that it seems ok. Maybe drop either Jaheira or Viconia for Minsc since you really only need one cleric. (drop the one you are not having a romance with since they both have strong points: Viconia is a better straight cleric, but the druid abilitys and spells Jaheira gets at higher levels are quite nice.) If you want another cleric though, go for Anomen, the combar cleric. Of course, since you have something of a mixed party I dont know what your alignment is. These are suggestions if you are neutral or good. Everything else should...lets say work out http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif. Well, good luck!

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personally i take Jan over Yoshi every time. If you don't care for Jaheira I find Anomen to be better. His melee is strong and he levels quicker. Edwin gets extra spells because if memory serves he is a specialist mage. Also I think one of his items I think gives bonus spells but doesn't say it does? Could be wrong on tht but pretty sure. Sounds to me you are light on melee more than anything else. Although Jaheira isn't bad with the correct eq korgan or anomen would probably be better.

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The reason Edwin gets more spells than you is that his amulet gives him 2 extra spells per spell level (can't be removed, unfortunately http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif ). This makes him better than any other PC or NPC mage as far as number of spells he can memorize. However, both of you are conjurers, so neither of you can cast divination spells (however, the only really good one that you will miss is True Sight, and Keldorn can cast that). Between the two of you, you have mages covered.

Same thing with priests. I would take the hill giant girdle off of Keldorn and give it to her if you plan to use her in melee (it will also allow her to strap on full plate; with her 19 dexterity you can get her AC into some really low levels). Keldorn already has a high strength, so it won't hurt his fighting too bad by doing this. I would get full plate armor for Keldorn, then give the Red Dragon Armor to Jaheira (she can use it). Give her a good shield and a magical scimitar, combined with spells like iron skins and nature's beauty, and she can be quite good in melee combat (in fact, better than Viconia, since she has fighter levels and can specialize in weapons). Viconia is actually best with a good sling (i.e. the Sling of Everard) due to her high dexterity. She will actually dish out quite a bit of damage this way. If you use her as an "archer", then go get Anomen to replace Jaheira. He is actually a nice backup fighter along with a strong cleric. This will give you some much needed firepower up front (he has a much better HP total than Viconia does). With both Anomen and Keldorn in the party, you will not have much to worry about as far as melee fighters (Anomen, since he was once a single-class fighter, can grandmaster in weapons; grandmaster him in hammers, give him Crom Faeyr and good armor and shield, and he will clean house right up there with Keldorn).

Yoshimo should be removed immediately. He is actually a worse thief than Jan as far as opening locks and finding/removing traps. Plus, Jan has some great interactions with the other PCs (especially Keldorn, who he antagonizes quite nicely). Also, he adds even more magical power (a little overkill in SoA, but you will thank me in ToB). Finally, let's just say you lose him later on in the game. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

Hope this helps!


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Madrigan S_P_O_I_L_E_R not really

I have started and finished SOA 11 times, TOB twice and one time
all the way through from the Dungeon under AHM in SOA to the end of TOB!!!
Twice I've played a mage as my main character and still kicked BUTT!!
so don't sweat it but dump Edwin and Vicona !! You can get Vicona back
later in the game she hangs out at the graveyard just praying for your
return. As far as Edwin goes, stick your tongue between your lips and
blow at him. Get rid of the bum there are to many great RPGs left to pick
up in the game. If you really want to duel class your main character
then go to the IronWorks Website and down load Shawdow Keeper. You can
turn your Half-Elf Conjurer into a Fighter/Mage without any effect to
your game other than having A more powerful main player perhaps this
alone would save you all your problems . Don't worry about Shadow Keeper
messing up your game it creates a new save game without disturbing your
save game you want modifyed, so if you don't like what you have done
just go bact to the original save game with no harm done. Try It once
also place a Shadow Keeper icon on your desktop and you can use it to
modify any SOA orTOB game anytime you happen to get a wild hair. Once
I made a party of 40th level evil mages and layed waste to most of Ahm
but I dont recommend This for a serious game but it beat laying waste
to my wife for backing into the bedroom wall, anyway good luck kick
butt!


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Against mages (and Shadow Thieves, Rune Assassins, and any of the many monsters that use invisibility or illusions like Mirror Image), it is indispensable. I always keep at least one memorized, unless I have Keldorn (who can use it as a special ability). You can do without it, but things will be a lot harder for you (especially against tough monsters like liches).

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To Starkiller, deathnight, Nerull, Crimson blade, Hooc And Daniel Thanks a lot guys, You've been a great help ! I will drop jaheira for Anomen ( altought I despise him greatly ) And Yoshimo for Jan ( But Is he real useful ? ) And should I keep Imoen in the group after I get her back from Iranicus ? And even if edwin has more spells than me, can I get rid of him too ? Just wondering .. But anyway guys, you've been a terrific help on this one, Thank you all ! http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

If you bring Imoen back into the fold, you will probably want to lose either Edwin or Jan (if you have enough gear to jack up Imoen's thieving abilities, like the ring of lockpicking and the ring of danger sense, Imoen can cover the thieving needs for the party). She is a better mage than Jan (but lacking in xp and spells). The best bet is to fill a bunch of scroll cases with spells (I usually steal every spell I can from every merchant that has them for sale), give these to Imoen when you find her, kick everyone but her and your romantic interest out of the party (if you kick out your romantic interest, it ends the romance), and have her write spells into her book. This will jack her up quite a bit.

You actually don't need Imoen back in the party, but for plot purposes, you might want to do it (without giving anything away...).


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The Best Party

GOOD GUYS(HEROES)

Conjurer (You)
Anomen (Cleric)
Keldorn (Paladin)
Minsc (Ranger)
Jan (Thief)

As 6th character you have some alternatives

Jaheira: (I don't like her but people say that insect plague is great, after all she's a fine fighter and druid can be helpful also you can have a romance with her but I don't like her attitude)

Aerie: She got low HP, low level but great quantity of spells and her romance! Ah I love her!

Mazzy: If you need a sniper.

If your main character is a Figher/Paladin/Ranger so take Nalia (great mage) instead of Minsc or Keldorn.

My party is me (Fighter), Minsc, Anomen, Aerie,Nalia and Jan. It's a very funny party http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif)

EVIL GUYS (VILLAINS)

Korgan
Viconia
Edwin

You got another 2 choices yet you're powerful enough. Dark side is stronger http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif