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Megabot 11-26-2004 12:36 AM

Hi after seeing the movie The Gladiator i wonder how did the Rome fall they had conquered the most of the world how did they fall?
I think i learned something about it in the school but dont remember how the imperie get crushed [img]smile.gif[/img]

Jorath Calar 11-26-2004 01:08 AM

If I remember correctly, after several incompetent leaders they simply lost interest in keeping an empire and it disolved on its own...

dplax 11-26-2004 01:24 AM

It was all because of the nomad tribes coming from the east and the decadence into which the Roman Empire had fallen. The Empire was split into two parts and waves of nomad tribes attacked both. Western Rome fell in 476 AD, while the Eastern Empire with Constantinople as its capital survived until later. Constantinople was taken in 1453 by the turks although it had been surrounded for a long time before that.

Link 11-26-2004 01:47 AM

It's a bit more than just "the nomad tribes did it". It also involves Roman citizenship, the financial situation (in combination with the military) and the political structure of a citystate used on an empire.

dplax 11-26-2004 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Link:
It's a bit more than just "the nomad tribes did it". It also involves Roman citizenship, the financial situation (in combination with the military) and the political structure of a citystate used on an empire.
I could have written three pages about it also... [img]smile.gif[/img]
And in the previous post I did also mention the decadence of the Empire.

Lucern 11-26-2004 02:19 AM

It's a complex topic, as I think the previous posters appreciate. Another common theme I've heard is that the empire overexpanded - too many imperial fingers in too many pies - pies that burned sometimes :D

It's worth reading about to realize all the ways power can shift between groups of people.

The Hierophant 11-26-2004 03:55 AM

Rome did not fall. Rome dispersed.

Every facet of your life, from the food you eat, to the governments you elect, to the language you speak derives from the legacy of Rome.

Remove the concept of epoches and ages from your mind. There are no set epoches, only the perpetual flow and adaptation of culture. And what a volatile phenomena this flow and adaptation is.

Rome did not conquer the known world, people did, using the word 'Rome' as a device of collective identity. People still live, people still conquer. Everything has adapted, but nothing has changed.

[ 11-26-2004, 04:28 AM: Message edited by: The Hierophant ]

Megabot 11-26-2004 12:43 PM

Thanks for the replyes folks it is wery interesting how a big "nation" like that colapsed have not read so much about it but will do soon. [img]smile.gif[/img]
Anyway what about other "big" nations like Russia, Kina and USA can they fall for the same reson you think?

Attalus 11-26-2004 01:37 PM

I think that the USSR already did. ;)

johnny 11-26-2004 05:50 PM

Rome destroyed itself, internal rivalries brought it down. Empires that bring forth leaders such as Nero and Galigula, and dispose of leaders such as Gaius Julius, are bound to crumble sooner or later. Incest played a big part in their downfall as well, but i don't think many historybooks will ever mention that.


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