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Memnoch 09-11-2001 02:25 PM

Discussion on why these attacks took place and what its purpose was.
 
OK, now I've had a few hours to absorb what's just happened in the US. As an expatriate American now living in Sydney, my heart goes out to all the people who lost relatives and friends. I myself have an aunt who lives in Manhattan and a number of friends that live and work around the Wall Street/Battery Park area. My sister works for Salomon Smith Barney (investment bankers) who until recently were located at the WTC (they recently relocated to Tribeca). My sister worked at the WTC till a year and a half ago when she relocated to Sydney which I am eternally grateful for.

I am starting this thread as a discussion thread for all of us to try and make sense out of this (senseless) attack on America. I realize it's a very emotional subject but please, no flaming or racial/hate attacks on others in this thread, ok? http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

The question now has to be asked: why was this done? What were the perpetrators expecting to get out of this? What was the motivation behind their attack? There are a number of facts that I will outline for you:

- cost of executing this attack must have been considerable
- the professionalism in executing was very high, to be able to coordinate hijacking different aircraft and bringing them to bear near-simultaneously
- the US was caught totally off-guard, with NO intelligence that this was about to happen

The following groups have been mooted as possible suspects (UNCONFIMED):

- Islamic Jihad
- Hamas/Hezbollah
- Taliban
- Osama Bin Laden

Blame has already started to be laid at the Palestinians' door, but I for one find it very difficult to believe that the upper echelons of the Palestinian authority would condone such an attack. It makes no sense whatsoever and they cannot hope to gain anything from being remotely associated with it. In fact they will lose a lot of leverage as a result of this, irrespective of their involvement.

Bin Laden sounds like a more credible suspect. He's tried it once before and he has the resources and the command/control experience to do it. He may have used a number of smaller groups to execute the actual sub-operations. The question is: why? What are the perpetrators trying to accomplish here? Who stands to benefit the most from this tragedy?

Your thoughts would be welcome as long as they are put forward in a reasonable, civilized and sensible manner. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Avatar 09-11-2001 02:35 PM

I think the history of such an well organised attack goes back a long way. This isn't some amateur plot to wreck havoc. The FBI, CIA and Israeli Itel have warned for the past 1 year about the possibility of a large scale terrorist attack on US establishments. Following the attack on the US destroyer, this is better planned and far more devastating. This has to have inside help to have escaped unsuspected. The attacks are executed professionally and is a time-delayed fashion to cause maximum casulaty, humiliation, publicity, and shock. I hate to say this, but it's very effective. I in no way support this, but it is by far the most organised attack. As for which groups, I would pick a rich well organised fanatical group.

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adam warlock 09-11-2001 02:38 PM

I could say this:
we still would be surprised if we DO find out who's responsible

skywalker 09-11-2001 02:40 PM

Oh, I hate to say I agree with you, Adam! I hope my thoughts are wrong, but they will forever be kept to myself.

Mark

Legolas the Elven Archer 09-11-2001 02:41 PM

I think it would be bst to wait until there's more information. Today has been very hectical and I believe it is important to process the information and wait until we've heard some numbers before we start pointing fingers. I'll come back here later.

Until then, a theory:
It's all a hoax so that Bush has an excuse to bomb palestina and afghanistan. All the networks have been bribed and people were hired to create a simulation of the collapse of the WTC.

NOT

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Avatar 09-11-2001 02:42 PM

I think the US WILL find the real or scapegoats.

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Moni 09-11-2001 02:45 PM

I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?

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Moridin 09-11-2001 02:45 PM

There are intel reports that Bin Laden announced, through a video tape, that "It was time to hit the US and Isreal". Apparently this tape was made around June. It is also known that he has been training people in plane hijacking techniques.

The thing that amazes me is that the hijacked planes were all departing from major US airports (Dulles in DC, Logan in Boston, and Newark, NJ)...to hijack 1 plane (let alone 4) is nearly impossible...the forces behind these attacks (like Memnoch said) had to be very well funded and trained.

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Moridin 09-11-2001 02:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Moni:
I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?


Actually Moni, the Pentagon is in the flight-path for Washington National Airport. A plane would only have to veer off course a slight distance (and at the last minute) to hit the Pentagon. The White house and Capital Bldg are not in any commercial airline flight path.

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Avatar 09-11-2001 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Moni:
I can only mention that it seems to be some coincidence that president Bush "just happened" to be in FL when all this took place and that the airspace around the pentagon is supposed to be closed airspace.
Whether outside forces were physically responsible for the devastation, I cannot help but wonder what inside forces had a hand in the playing of a political game.
A game in which no ones lives but the very highest in rank are considered to be of any importance.

Just my two cents.

I am already "marked" as a radical in this country...why should I be afraid of speaking my mind?


I got rebucked for saying things like that! Husshhhh.. I think Memmnoch's coming. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif


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