Barack Obama wins ....what now?
 

So Barack has won the nomination, finally!

Though I actually liked Clinton's policies more I am not upset in any way that Barack won. The question I want to ask Ironworker's is ...

Can he actually win the presidency of the United States of America?

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He better.

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Probably something better suited to the current events forums.

Anyway, to Illumina, why? Not saying I disagree or agree with you, but knowing how you feel leave's me wanting to know why you feel that way.

side note: I was thinking while all the nominee selection was going on, if the Dem. candidate wins it would be a historic moment for the US. If it had been Clinton, the first female president, Obama would be the first black/colored/(insert PC term here) president.

As for my preference I don't have one as of yet, I haven't done much research into the candidates politics so far.

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seconded

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3rd

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Tbh their ideas were pretty much the same, but Obama is better at selling it. Especially compared to the old and uncharismatic McCain i think Obama can draw more voters in then Clinton.

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FSA- McCain represents, to me, four more years of the same failed policy that has landed in a costly, unneccesary war that has set us at the brink of a depression and sent thousands of soldiers to their deaths. For nothing. Okay? For nothing. Bush has endorsed this guy. Now, maybe there are rules about politics and parties and some such, but how on Earth has he not renounced that endorsement? McCain doesn't seem to mind that we're in Iraq in the first place. How can he talk economic policy and strategize about bringing us away from a recession when he's fine with pouring money down the drain for the forseeable future?

What do I want? I want us out of Iraq. I don't want us in Iran. Obama, if he lives up to what he says he is, represents a shift towards the government actually caring about the people, and not horrid, bloodthirsty corporations or government-sanctioned kidnappings or 1984-esque surveillance schemes. And if that's not how it plays out, well, then I guess there was nothing to hope for to begin with.

Edit- Though from my posts here and over in CE over the years, I'm surprised you needed to ask :)

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Well, to be honest I don't exactly frequent the CE forums often. And in spite of an eye for details, my memory isn't so hot on specifics.

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Finally the primaries are over. Honestly, next time around all of them should be held on the same day. This stuff has been polluting the media for way too long and has poured a lot of money down the drain...

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Hillary Clinton lost a truckload of credit in my book with her Michigan / Florida crusade - states she only won because she was the only one on the bloody ballot! As the rest of candidates actually did bother to follow party rules and withdraw from the ballot of those respective states... Heck, she did not even care one bit about those states until she realized she was losing the primaries!

The real clincher though was the nerve with which she compared this situation to the one in Zimbabwe (you know, the one with the insane dictator slaughtering people and refusing to abide by election results), which literally had me screaming at my tv screen.

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Do you have a link to that? I don't remember reading about it at all.

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I saw a clip of her making the comparison on the Daily Show/Colbert Report a few times.

edit: and here's an article about it. :)
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05...y4116567.shtml

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http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05...y4116567.shtml
I think this is what he means.

My favourite is the sniper fire story though lol. Man, how bad is her memory?

I am so glad this process is finally over, I had no choice but to follow it because the news is saturated. I thik Clinton came out looking worse, even her husband Bill. I don't think he is as popular now (52 million in speeches before this campaign started!). But wow, thank god it's ending, what a mine-field for all candidates to navigate. And it is so drawn-out it's like controversy is just a filler to bridge the gap. The media is insanely powerful now compared to when the timeline and rules of the democratic campaign were created. They need to make it 9 months at least. Maybe 6, to at least get to know the runners.

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From what I read, neither Barack nor Hillary has much of a chance against McCain. Although what I read could easily have been idle threats, it does ring some truth:

If Clinton wins the nomination, all of Obama's supporters will vote for McCain.

If Obama wins the nomination, all of Clinton's supporters will vote for McCain.

They will do this out of spite.

Remember, this is only what I've read. It may have just been things people say before the matter is at hand and something they could easily renege when it comes to the actual voting time.

Where do I stand personally? Sorry, I don't share that information because I don't like people thinking negative things about me. Certainly it would not matter which side I choose, there will be SOMEONE to ridicule my decision. So, I try to stay in a neutral position, not supporting either side. I wait until the day before elections to make a decision and once I have voted, it is over and I do not share my vote with anyone.

I will say this:
Not one single candidate is being viewed from a completely objective point of view. Everyone has inserted their personal feelings, most of which are based on the crap the media tries to feed us, about each of the candidates and are NOT viewing them fairly AT ALL.

Bush is NOT as bad as everyone makes him out to be. Most of the things he did were good decisions but they were put into a terrible light by the media making him seem like a jerk, an idiot, and more. This is simply not true. DO NOT believe what you see in the media!

I only say this about Bush because of what people are saying about McCain. Certainly McCain has been made out to be "the next Bush" as he has stated his support for some of the things Bush has initiated. If this is what you are basing your opinion of McCain on, I strongly urge you to do YOUR OWN research and quit believing all the CRAP in the media that makes him out to be the next Bush. The fact is, McCain is 10x the leader Bush is and he is 10x more qualified. Just because he agrees with some of Bush's decisions does NOT make him "the next George Bush" and to believe it does would be folly. Do your research!

As far as Obama and Clinton... both have been ridiculed by the other. The media has attacked both of them with wreckless abandon! Do not believe ANYTHING the media says about either of these two! There are so many lies floating around about these 2, it's nearly impossible to tell where either of them REALLY stand on many of the issues. It's impossible to determine just how good of a president either will make without doing your own research.

And let us all remember, wikipedia is NOT a trustworthy source for your research! :P

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And for some added context, Morgan Tsvangirai just got arrested by Mugabe's troops. :(
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/af...aid/index.html

I wonder when Obama's secret police is going to come for Hillary...

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There's a reasonable chance they will end up on the same ticket though, with Hillary as the VP candidate.

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I'm happy with whoever knows where Canada is!

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LOL!! Canada is SOOO under-rated! They are actually a world power and most Americans don't even give them a second thought...

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Until they need healthcare then they travel to Canada for cheap, resonable treatment. Then they forget it exists again.

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I once heard a comedian say that Canada was like America's attic. You completely forget about it until you go up there, and then you say, "Oh my God! I totally forgot about all of this! Look, there's people here, and all kinds of stuff."

I myself love Canada. I've been there a few times, and I've considered moving up there- not for the common liberal "If they elect him, I'm outta here" reasons, but for the reason that Montreal is really just an awesome place.

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Yeah! We've gone from three empty suits to two empty suits.

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That wins the 'most cynical post of the year so far' award :heee:

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Yay!! Someone finally won. After more than half of year struggle. We can finally live in peace now.

Oh wait! Then there's the incoming presidency election. Now how long would that take?

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It should be over sometime in november. Unless my understanding of my own country's electoral system is horrendously lacking. (which actually for the most part it is, but I think I've at least got that detail down)

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Are you suggesting we all tune in to Fox News? :P

I've been following Obama's campaign through his Youtube channel almost religiously... He was my second choice after Kucinich.

Even though I don't think Hillary would make the best VP, it would be great (and possibly vital) if she got it. Those darn stubborn Hillary supporters who'd rather go McCain than Obama. Of course there are Obama supporters who wouldn't have voted Clinton either.

But as always, swing voters will probably decide the election. People who don't know where they stand on policies, who don't know where the candidates stand on policies, and don't care about policies. It's all about image. :(

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:laugh2:

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If it is all about image then Obama will definitely choose a female VP though not necessarily Clinton, maybe Caroline Kennedy?

I would not be surprised to see McCain choose Condelezza Rice as his VP

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Hope not, her popularity is virtually the same as Bush.

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It's south of Michigan, right?

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I think he's got to avoid a "Bush insider"... I really think the democrats are trying to play on the "first black / first woman" thing, and have been doing so for a while. For the Republicans to do the same thing would be a lot of "me too", which doesn't help you win sales or elections.

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Maybe Bungleau... but if the Repugs announced first?

Of course that would be a shame because it would stink of tokenism where as Hilary at least, love her or hate her, has shown ability to run for office under her own steam.

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The Dems have already announced. No matter who got the nomination, it was going to be a first. Anything the Republicans do on the other side risks being seen as just a "me too".

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Clinton money down the drain! yawn!

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Actually I find that to be completely opposite. We do not have government sanctioned health care, hence, no one issuing you a number, whilst you fall to the wayside awaiting said number to be called. Therefore, they flock down here to see a doctor and get treated, then run back before anybody really notices.

However, prescription medication are a different story altogether.

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We are now faced with electing the greater of the two parties, or as some would say, the lesser of two less than worthy politicians.

It's simple really, Jimmy carter attempted to take on big oil in the 1970's, wow, did OB pull that from the history channel or what!

McCain says we will stay in Iraq until we complete the mission. FOLKS. You had better re-read the world take on Iran's nuclear program, the very one in which the US backed off of! If you want troops home, then expect more terroristic operations happening within the homelands borders.

The terrorists have won stage one, we are now paying them almost four bucks a gallon of go-go juice. Stage two is in the bag, some want change so bad they cannot see the outcome, and will blindly allow a complete withdrawal, and strict verbal policy against terrorists. Stage three transpires when our politicians sit down and have open talks with terror group leaders, that is when I depart and relocate elsewhere on this planet. France for instance, does not allow terror groups to sit at the table of parliament!

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"Down here" as in the USA?

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If McCain wins, I'm moving to Canada. This might sound childish or even biased, but if millions of people are willing to vote another Republican again, supported by Bush no less, the country's screwed.

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I'd be with you if it wasn't for the fact that I'm in the UK - and it's hard to tell the difference between Labour and Conservative here, so damned if I know what I will do when we get to our next general election. Canada's looking good.

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The hope Obama represents for many, though IMO is usually false hope, is better than the policy of a continuing and endless war.

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Sounds like this is the movie just for you.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0780486/

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