Which is better, Mac or Dell/HP etc?

You forgot the "other" category... for the Linux mongers among us.

Hmm, Mac vs PC, dangerous grounds for a discussion ;)

BTW, I chose my own PC but I'm a huge Dell fan but couldn't select both :(

Does owning an Intel Mac with bootcamp count as having both a PC and a Mac, or just a Mac?

It's Mac only in terms of Hardware, but in terms of software, I have both.

Nah. It's still a PC. I didn't say mac vs windows (mac has windows) but mac vs pc, and linux runs on pcs right? ;)

Just a mac. ;)

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It's Mac only in terms of Hardware, but in terms of software, I have both.

Which is an advantage of having a mac! :D

Well Dell is kind of a subclass within PC for the purposes of this poll. Just wanted to get specific about one of the largest PC brands.

Geez, we just went through all this!

[ 12-07-2006, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: Variol (Farseer) Elmwood ]

The results of the poll tell the story as to why there are no Mac viruses. Less than 25% of respondants, so far, have Macs. There's so little a market on them that it's not worth a "decent" hacker's time. Ah bootcamp, the best way to buy a pc when you don't want to say you have one... [img]graemlins/hidesbehindsofa.gif[/img]
I'd say an Intel Mac is probably closer to a PC, than a Mac. After all, if the vulnerability to viruses is in the actual software, it doesn't matter what hardware you're running it on.

There is something here that you're missing though...

I have bootcamp set up and run both OSX and WinXP. However, I only go online when running OSX. I have disabled all the internet connections in XP. So I don't need to worry about Windows getting bogged down with viruses or spyware. The only path for them to get onto XP for me is if I download a patch or mod for a game under OSX and then transfer it to my Windows partition. If the download contains a virus, then I'm out of luck. I don't worry too much, as official patches should be safe, and I only download mods for games like BG2 when they have been around and have positive feedback.

The other great thing is that I don't have to install an anti-virus on my XP partition.

I do miss out on playing XP games online, but I prefer single player games anyway. And not being able to start playing UO again is a definite positive when it comes to getting my dissertation done.

Dude! You're getting a Dell!
*shoots dude and the dude shouting it*
PC all the way.

But there are.....

Not many, but they are starting to crop up.

But see this is a gaming forum. We all know there are more gamers on PC than Mac.

However, for professional creatives it's mac all the way. Music production, film/video editting, artwork, design, photography.. mac mac mac. It's more stable, the software is better, and you don;t have to be a computer genius to get things up and running. The macs have universal compatability with each other, whereas pcs have a nightmarish array of variables - soundcards, processors, video cards etc etc - so when something goes wrong it's problematic getting help easily.

When I run a session in OSX, I just turn the computer on, and at the end of the day there are no crashes. PCs crash crash crash, and when professionally running recording sessions that's not cool.

However, the other day I worked with a PC Cubase setup which was smooth, but the owner has had to become a computer guru just to maintain it's smoothness.

And it's not like I'm a mac geek. I started on Amiga, went to Atari (music) and PC (games) and only five years ago bought a mac.

There's just no comparison. Macs work better.
We have two macs and two pcs in our house, and the macs vastly outperform.
I'm comparing them everyday.

And when you say "nobody has a mac" that may be in terms of relative percentages, but not in terms of actual users. 2% of 200 million for example is still 2 million, and that's a large market. If I sold 2 million CDs (at just say...0.05% of all CDs sold in a year or something) I'd be laughing all the way to the bank.

I get pretty pro-Mac because I saw what happened to the Amiga. The Amiga was for it's time, streets ahead of PCs and Macs in terms of graphics, and music/art/video production. THe "workbench" was a windows-like program well before windows was around. It was a better computer that had bad marketing and who's company went bankrupt. I mean how does a company go from having the mpst popular computer ever - the C64 - and owning the patent on the joystick, to going bankrupt!?

And so the computer industry suffered.

The macs look, feel, run and integrate better. At least in my house. ;)

So I would urge someone, if you're thinking of buying a new computer, to at least walk into a mac store, and check them out. [img]smile.gif[/img] What do you have to loose?

[ 12-08-2006, 01:42 AM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

No it isn't ;)

Ok. 4 million.
Thankyou Mr. Wiseguy.
Why you! Why you wise guy! :D :D

[ 12-08-2006, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

You're talking about Windows machines, not PCs.

Linux has uptimes measured in years, and it runs on PC hardware.

You're talking about Windows machines, not PCs.

Linux has uptimes measured in years, and it runs on PC hardware. </font>[/QUOTE]That's very interesting!

I have a self-assembled PC. It runs nicely, way nicer than those premade packages.

That's awesome.

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Then what did the poll hope to achieve if you already expected the outcome?
To make us PC users more confident and big-headed than we already are? </font>

Easily done! *Head grows* Aren't I special :D

<font color=skyblue>
Then what did the poll hope to achieve if you already expected the outcome?
To make us PC users more confident and big-headed than we already are? </font> </font>[/QUOTE]No. To compare how many people saying they love PC are using PC, and how many have both say they love either one or the other.

It often seems to be a case of defending what one has, rather any real objectivity. ;) I rarely encounter another person who uses both systems period, let alone a person who uses both saying they prefer PCs.

Just thought I'd add this. :D

Weird. Well not one of the problems he's described has ever happened to me. Except for the dock popping up. LOL! But I just move it to the side, no worries. I've never had the system lock up in OS X.

If he were talking about windows I'd relate better. :D

Anyhow, he does makes the point, that the topdraw video editting programs are on the Mac. ;)

Oh yeah. he's also got a seven year old model that he's kicking. OS 9 was far less stable than OS X

It's a pretty funny video though!!! :D :D :D

[ 12-08-2006, 10:23 PM: Message edited by: Yorick ]

I guess the whole argument is pointless, because ultimately people vote with their wallets..... ah well each to their own.

We should ask this guy for the answer....

Not being a Mac user, but this sets out a pretty good point :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8HNyiNbXmk

I have both. I agree that music, graphic and video programs are easier and better on a mac. All of my music and studio work is done on the mac. Games and internet are done on my pc (which right now happens to be a Dell). I have had no lock-up problems, blue screen of death virus or spam/malware problems with my pc. I use a Zone Alarm firewall and use adaware and spybot.

Of course the reason that I don't have problems may be that I don't download porn or visit hacker or warez sites. Let's face it, if you are downloading ("stealing") a movie, music etc. then you should expect other dishonest people to be taking advantage of your greed.

I have both. I agree that music, graphic and video programs are easier and better on a mac. All of my music and studio work is done on the mac. Games and internet are done on my pc (which right now happens to be a Dell). I have had no lock-up problems, blue screen of death virus or spam/malware problems with my pc. I use a Zone Alarm firewall and use adaware and spybot.

Of course the reason that I don't have problems may be that I don't download porn or visit hacker or warez sites. Let's face it, if you are downloading ("stealing") a movie, music etc. then you should expect other dishonest people to be taking advantage of your greed. [/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]QFT

I have tried to explain that to people for years, including one of my ex gf's. If the people stealing this stuff, or putting it up to be stolen, don't care about the author of the subject, what makes anyone believe they care what gets downloaded with it?

Well as both a Mac user and PC user I say what I usually say concerning the Mac vs PC crapbattles: It is really easy to learn how to hate both systems;)

And I don't agree that Mac is better to make graphics on, it is an really old fabricated reality that springs from Mac beign the ONLY system for graphical productions. That has not been so for many years and still regarding professional work, shit in shit out regardless of wether your processor is Intel AMD or something that bears an Apple.

Bah, these discussions are fruitless...