OK--I already posted this question at the end of the "Dragonlance or Forgotten Realms" thread, but I figured I'd make it its own thread so more people would see it.

My hypothetical question is, in an all-out mage fight, when both magi were at the peak of their power, which archmage do you think would win the battle--Elminster or Raistlin Majere. Keep in mind I'm talking about Raistlin after he won the fight with Fistandantilus, and his power at the point at which he was ready to defeat Takhisis...

I may be a little subjective, since I consider Raistlin the definitive BADASS when it comes to magi, but I would argue that Raistlin would win.

Well, if they fought somewhere were Elmunchkin did NOT have the gods protecting their favorite munchkinny Elmunchkin then Raistlin would slaughter him, if it was in the Forgotten Realms however, Elmunchkin would be defended by five gods or something and Raistlin would be killed easily.

I'm talking about no godly allegiances, no godly interventions......just Raistlin versus Elminster, straight up.

and yes, i agree with you.....Raistlin would cream the old fart. because Raistlin Majere is the coolest damn mage to ever exist, and i doubt he'll ever be surpassed in coolness.

no god allience? no divine being interven? that is IMPOSSIBLE

that is what makes Elminister Elminister. That is part of his strength, it is like to ask Raistlin gie up his time traveling magic, that is part of HIS resource, HIS STRENGTH

there is no point arguing who wins.

Elminister defintely wins. that is part of Wizard of the Coast's agreement, Elminister ALWAYS wins, he NEVER dies. he probally invented some magic like "kill you outright" or "win the duel" or "I-win-no-matter-what"

to me, the question is irrelevant. Aretmis Entreri will slice them both up before they can even scream in surprise.

yeah, he can, IF he still have any piece of him left (not fried) at that moment

Off-topic question: isnt Debaser that Demon that got his butt kicked by Arch-mage Dion?

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth:
to me, the question is irrelevant. Aretmis Entreri will slice them both up before they can even scream in surprise.<hr></blockquote>

yeah, that's only if he COULD take them by surprise.....not very likely, and even the smallest failure in such an attempt would mean Entreri's being would be rent asunder by god-awful magic.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Velkyn_OHF:
Off-topic question: isnt Debaser that Demon that got his butt kicked by Arch-mage Dion?<hr></blockquote>

Velkyn-
Can't really say...I actually have no idea what you are referring to. I took my screen name from the kickass Pixies song...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Debaser:


Velkyn-
Can't really say...I actually have no idea what you are referring to. I took my screen name from the kickass Pixies song...<hr></blockquote>
Oh, well Debazzer is a demon from a series im currently reading. Pretty cool one too!

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Debaser:


yeah, that's only if he COULD take them by surprise.....not very likely, and even the smallest failure in such an attempt would mean Entreri's being would be rent asunder by god-awful magic.<hr></blockquote>

oh, Entreri could take them by surprise, all right... he can set the battleground up.

Mystra gave Elminster 25 Con
You know what kinda regeneration that gives?
Personally i think Elminster is way overkill
Dunno about Raistlin
Elminster ain;t that strong but the god made him so strong

Nah both Raistlin and Elminster would have contingencies. Entreri dont stand a chance..

My vote is to Raistlin simply cause I dont like Elminster :D

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Lifetime:
Nah both Raistlin and Elminster would have contingencies. Entreri dont stand a chance..

My vote is to Raistlin simply cause I dont like Elminster :D <hr></blockquote>

ack, but you do know that the person has to be seen for them to fire, dont you? And I think that Entreri can stay hidden... long enough to kill them with one fatal slice.

Elminster would win in a mage duel versus Raistlin. While Raistlin was the most powerful mage ever in Dragon Lance, the magic level in Dragon Lance is significantly lower than the magic level in Forgotten Realms, even after the Gods in the Forgotten Realms, specifically Mystra, took away most of the powerful magics from mortals. Elminster represents the high end of mages in the Forgotten Realms, and has had over one thousand years of practice in dealing with other mages, while Raistlin could claim only a fraction of that time and against much weaker mages to boot.

Elminster! The great mage!

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth:


ack, but you do know that the person has to be seen for them to fire, dont you? And I think that Entreri can stay hidden... long enough to kill them with one fatal slice.<hr></blockquote>

Seph, you're not serious, are you? :eek: Elminster has VERY powerful psionics, more powerful than that of a mind flayer (given to him by Ed Greenwood as a last resort in case his spells fail and he faces the possibility of dying). He would fry Entreri's mind AND body in the 0.5 seconds it took Entreri to leap from shadows. He can cast Lesser Ironguard as an innate ability provided by Mystra. In addition, Elminster also has very powerful divination spells that would find Entreri no matter where he hid (True Sight among many others). Not only that, he can wield both silver fire AND spellfire. This is also the reason why he would beat Raistin, even though Raistlin almost beat Takhisis on her home plane and has all the powers of Fistandantilus. Greenwood has engineered Elminster to be unbeatable. Entreri, since he was engineered by Salvore to be mortal, with mortail frailties, has ZERO chance.

Entreri is a legend among mortals, but Elminster's not exactly mortal. He's more at demipower status - the mightiest of Mystra's Chosen.

[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Memnoch ]</p>

Raistlin is brilliant, he would make Elminster soup out of that old fart. I especially love his evil ways.... ;)

wake up

I love, I like, my favorite,

whatever dude, the truth remains, Eliminster kills anyone outright

and Entreri? git'me a break...

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by DM of FAoIW:
wake up<hr></blockquote>

I think you should let people voice their opinions without saying things like this. It's unnecessary and quite a bad habit of yours, I've noticed.

[ 11-09-2001: Message edited by: Arledrian ]</p>

elminster. now raist is hardcore hardcore dont get me wrong, anyone willing to use his amgic to take on a god is pretty tough in my book, but elminster is like the avatar or lover of mistra the godess of magic. i think if it came right down to it. the god of magic would just take raists powers away, and that would be that. not much he can do without the backing of his magic. in a straigh fight without actual divine intervention ide still say elminster. he is mistras choosen and that carries alot of weight. so ill put my money on elminster in the second round with a knockout

Well, I consider Larloch very potent, who can repel any magical art known to him at the small cost of 10 year's life.

Tethtoril - who cannot even be touched: Mystra, Deneir and Oghma delivering wrath through the priest.

But for an old friend, yes......Elminster would have the coup-de-grace. :D

at the small cost of 10 year's life.

???
lol 10 years of your life isn't QUITE a small cost

if your a lich ten years is nothing

What about in a straight out Fist fight? now who would win?!?

Straight fist fight? well, Elminster obviously...even though he's an old man, Raist is one sickly bastard. then again, considering their alignments, Elminster would get a punch in and Raistlin would cast his most powerful spell....chaotic evil wizards aren't exactly known for their code of honor.

<blockquote>quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by AzRaeL StoRmBlaDe:
Elminster is like the avatar or lover of Mystra, the godess of magic<hr></blockquote>

I honestly can't picture Elminster scoring with Mystra. That's unless he dire charmed her.... ;)

Rastiln wins easy. He was willing to give up more for more power than Elminstar was. Elminstar just got lucky. :D