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SSJ4Sephiroth 06-14-2001 06:52 PM

Well, considering where i am, i would have expected someone to have already asked this question, but no one has. so, im assuming im going to have to ask it myself. is internet porn good or bad, and do you think it has a bad influence on kids. im sure all the board members have an opinion on this, especially all the parents. now I, for one, having seen firsthand what this can do to a good mind, am firmly against it, and believe that it has an exremely negative effect on minds. it has turned my friends into just big perverts, where a good mind used to be. but enough blabbing on my part, its time to hear what all of you think about this subject.

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Wah 06-14-2001 07:03 PM

If a rapist and/or child abuser spend half his day looking at these sick things instead of doing it in real life - I'd say that they are actually quite positive.

However, in psychological terms, it doesn't work like that: people get motivated instead and thrive on internet porn to "fuel" their desires to do the things they won't do as human beings in reality.

For example if you saw that 'raping' is "cool" on the net, and you had that same belief, you'd be more likely to do it in real life? Simple!

So my view? I hate it, it is disgusting and open up a gateway to kiddies when a child says "Mummy! (points at the woman's breasts) what's THAT thing!

But you have to admit, it is not a form of heavy crime. There is no obligation to view the crap, but if you want to - it is solely your own responsibility.

Hopefully this new "government internet security" policy, will be better than we'd hope it'll be.

But then there's the issue of privacy? Who's up for that? http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/rolleyes.gif

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Memnoch 06-15-2001 10:04 AM

Bad, it's just like online gambling - people can't control themselves and spend a fortune surfing all these places.

If you REALLY wanted porn, just go to a video store (here in Australia anyway). Not that I need any...http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif

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Mack_Attack 06-15-2001 12:53 PM

Well what ever turns your crank. I think that it is a terrible thing. ONe example well maybe two.

A friend of mine sat down on the computer with his young boy. And was about to start to do a school project. It was about the beaver. Being a Canadian this was a great animal to do a report on. Well I am sure you can see where this is going. The typed beaver into the search. Needless to say the kid had lots of questions.

Next store I heard which I can not say I know for sure that it is true 3rd party info. But a person was sufring porn and downloaded a few pictures after he did this a screen popped up and said you now have the clap. And bingo no more computer.http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no.../1orglaugh.gifhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/dark3.gif

But each to there own. I would like to see more intervension by other groups to help sensor the net. I know to some sensor is a nasty word. But we are in a day and age that there is people that take things to far. And not only on the internet. Ok my two cents you all stayhttp://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...s/coollook.gif

SSJ4Sephiroth 06-18-2001 05:38 PM

oh come ON! i know more than 3 of you have an opinion on this! or do you just not want to admit that you have a problem?

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Lord Shield 06-19-2001 07:54 AM

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Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth:
oh come ON! i know more than 3 of you have an opinion on this! or do you just not want to admit that you have a problem?


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I'll thank you NOT to go insulting us just because we haven't posted in your bloody poll, thank you!
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Too much generalisation here anyway. Child porn is bad, rape fantasy porn is probably bad, others I couldn't care less about
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Happy now?


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Wah 06-19-2001 07:38 PM

You're right.

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Fljotsdale 06-19-2001 09:13 PM

Nasty and dangerous wherever you find it.

John D Harris 06-19-2001 10:19 PM

It is the unfortunate price of freedom, in this case intellectual and expression freedom.

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Barbucha 06-29-2001 05:16 AM

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Originally posted by SSJ4Sephiroth:
oh come ON! i know more than 3 of you have an opinion on this! or do you just not want to admit that you have a problem?


I don't need watch porn neither on TV nor on internet.
Somebody need it for achievment sexual thrill - is that bad? - but if in this mood to someone hurts - now is that bad!

Go to a video store - easy way - but someone is ashamed and wannabe anonymous internet look more easily.

Children should not watch porn neither on TV nor on internet. If porn watch children, it is very bad!

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WOLFGIR 06-29-2001 05:55 AM

Weeeell, since we are so liberal here in Sweden I would have to say this..
Porn that is more or less an erotic thing for people and not degrading to any of the participants and regardlless of wich sex, is ok. I guess (Take the new female produced Porn movies, I saw that on TV here on the news, seems better in many ways, better storyline, more erotic and fun)

Good old bad or whatever porn, well dont thrill me much, I thought it was fun being 14, but well now.. I donīt waste my time..

Porn that abuse or thoose based on actors that are drugged, forced or whatever or downgrading any person is real bad, gives the wrong idea of how sex is supposed to be IMHO...

Childporn, I hate it!

There ae people into some funky types of sex and well, as stated above, people has the right to do and see most things, as long as it donīt come out on anyone elses expanse! Alot of porn do that however http://www.tgeweb.com/cgi-bin/ubb/no...iles/frown.gif

I also think that kids shouldnīt watch porn or such things because it mostly gives them the wrong idea, better for parents to talk openly about sex and the schools to teach the basics( not well practicing, but how it is done, what happens, how to use condomes etc etc..)

Also one thing not to be forgotten is that usually when people are having sex, there is this little thing called love.. Try and use that word alittle more often...

Well my 2 cents about it..

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Redblueflare 07-19-2001 02:25 PM

Without a doubt it's a bad thing. It gives people a very wrong idea of what sex is supposed to be. They get to thinking that love has absolutely nothing to do with it, and that isn't a good way to think. I feel that it definitely has a negative effect on children, and especially teenagers. I don't believe we should censor though, mainly because there are so many things that I think shouldn't be censored. I don't want to contradict myself, and sound like a hypocrit.

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sylent 07-21-2001 10:44 PM

There is some real bad porn, and there is then just this other porn, which is what you might call "clean". While this is probably not all that great for underaged individuals (like for example me), like Wolfgir said, if all parties agree to it, who is to say it is wrong. What is a little problem is the ease with which it can be accessed.
Some of my friends are pretty reclusive though, and rely upon the net to get their thrills. This is bad, not good at all. It gives people the completely wrong impression about girlz or guys and how it all works...

Just my two sense (or was it cents?)

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Penfold 08-14-2001 08:26 AM

Just to counter point the porn bad agruements I think that it is a good thing. A cultures art gives great insight and porngarphy is just that an art form. now as for going to the local sex shop to buy the the stuff, somethings that person might be intersted in are unavalbe in them, ie henti. Plus not all sight are just sex sex and more sex, some expellectly those to do with various bondage or sadist/maschist subjects give out infomation on safety during these acts, some are even groups for people with slimmer interest to meet and disccuse are we are doing. Most place are for people to live out their fansty or make the characters they love live out fansty in the case of lemons and douishin. While those dealing in loi-con desires are dark places they also watched by law enforment officals who can find out who these indiviauls are. But as to these stories out innocent finding these sites why blame the site when the parten or guardian has failed to enforce/activate the options that are avabily on the net and within all good net surfing systems?

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Bahamut 08-18-2001 10:14 AM

Hmm...

For my personal intentions,
Good if there is no adult check and its free with great stuff

But for kids, no.

One thing is, I know myself, I know raping is bad, but sometimes its fun, but it is not the type of thing I will thriving on and ne with the rest of my life. I have a world of words and dreams to fulfill...

As for kiddos, hell, they still are thinking about what's right and wrong, porn is not yet time for them... but it would be better if exposed at the right time, and they will make their descicion. http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...es/biggrin.gif

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oldbittercraig 08-20-2001 06:03 PM

regarding porn- is it a bad influence? I don't think so, at least no more so than other things.

Regarding influencing children- which is more emotionally retarding, watching Debbie Does Dallas or Rambo? Personally I'd rather have my (fictitious) kid watching two people having consensual sex than stallone beheading people.

Honestly, I've *NEVER* seen anything worse in a porn flick than I saw on the 6 O'Clock news last night.



Drake 08-23-2001 08:54 AM

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Originally posted by oldbittercraig:
regarding porn- is it a bad influence? I don't think so, at least no more so than other things.

Regarding influencing children- which is more emotionally retarding, watching Debbie Does Dallas or Rambo? Personally I'd rather have my (fictitious) kid watching two people having consensual sex than stallone beheading people.

Honestly, I've *NEVER* seen anything worse in a porn flick than I saw on the 6 O'Clock news last night.


Ditto, I just can't understand how it's ok to see some one loose his\her head and show blood spaying every where but if that person showd some flesh it's then dirty.

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250 08-24-2001 03:20 AM

think about why it appears

to fullfill people's unfullfilled desires. although it is quite a poor way doing it, it is just like shy people running away from the crowd. they might gain temporary relieve, yet they firmed the idea of what they did is NOT harmful, and they will continue to perform this action more and more as situation presents

most people with loads of free time do that. the parenst are responsible in this matter. it is not bad or good, it is a nature phenomena appeared in a dangerous way



TheDutkanator 08-24-2001 07:15 AM

<Table><TR><TD Style=Filter:glow(Color=blue, strength=3)><h1><Font Size=2, Color="white">I will try to remain as impartial as possible here. I firmly believe that if someone wants to see porn, there gonna see it. Whether on the net or not. I *do* believe that the internet has created a greater accessability to porn for the little people (underage). I also believe that a large part of our economy now relies on porn. Porn is one of the hugest industries in the world and the net is a big part of that. Being that I choose to remain neutral, I say this (an answer I give to many varied questions), "If it doesn't hurt ANYone other than yourself directly or indirectly and it doesn't hurt their property, then who am I to say that you can or cannot participate? If you don't agree with it, don't participate" I know that there are some people out there who can't properly decide for themselves whether or not they "should" be participating in something, but those people have other people to decide for them. If the person deciding for them makes the wrong decision, sorry to say but that's their fault. I think that drugs and prostitution should be legal (and controlled/restricted), but that doesn't mean I will participate or that you have to. I only think that for the human race to be truly free, we should be able to do whatever we want (again, as long as it doesn't hurt others or their property). <font size=4>IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PARTICIPATE, BUT DON'T TELL ME *I* CAN'T DO IT. YOU'RE NOT MY MOM!!</font></font></h1></TD></Table>

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Drake 08-25-2001 09:40 AM

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Originally posted by TheDutkanator:
<Table><TR><TD Style=Filter:glow(Color=blue, strength=3)><h1><Font Size=2, Color="white">I will try to remain as impartial as possible here. I firmly believe that if someone wants to see porn, there gonna see it. Whether on the net or not. I *do* believe that the internet has created a greater accessability to porn for the little people (underage). I also believe that a large part of our economy now relies on porn. Porn is one of the hugest industries in the world and the net is a big part of that. Being that I choose to remain neutral, I say this (an answer I give to many varied questions), "If it doesn't hurt ANYone other than yourself directly or indirectly and it doesn't hurt their property, then who am I to say that you can or cannot participate? If you don't agree with it, don't participate" I know that there are some people out there who can't properly decide for themselves whether or not they "should" be participating in something, but those people have other people to decide for them. If the person deciding for them makes the wrong decision, sorry to say but that's their fault. I think that drugs and prostitution should be legal (and controlled/restricted), but that doesn't mean I will participate or that you have to. I only think that for the human race to be truly free, we should be able to do whatever we want (again, as long as it doesn't hurt others or their property). <font size=4>IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T PARTICIPATE, BUT DON'T TELL ME *I* CAN'T DO IT. YOU'RE NOT MY MOM!!</font></font></h1></TD></Table>


CLAP CLAP CLAP. yes that was very nicely said I couldn't agree more. I think most thing should be legal(with the ececpion of like rape and murder, ect) just don't take part in the actions if they don't suit you.

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Melusine 08-25-2001 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Bahamut:


One thing is, I know myself, I know raping is bad, but sometimes its fun, but it is not the type of thing I will thriving on



Jesus Christ Bahamut, I sincerely hope that was just a badly phrased misformulation and not actually what you meant to say.


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Diogenes Of Pumpkintown 08-25-2001 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Melusine:

Jesus Christ Bahamut, I sincerely hope that was just a badly phrased misformulation and not actually what you meant to say.



LOL. I saw the same thing myself earlier and just assumed it was a case of bad phrasing.



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Melusorick! 08-25-2001 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by Diogenes Of Pumpkintown:
LOL. I saw the same thing myself earlier and just assumed it was a case of bad phrasing.



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Moridin 08-25-2001 03:10 PM

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<Table><TR><TD Style=Filter:glow(Color=blue, strength=3)><h1><Font Size=2, Color="white">I also believe that a large part of our economy now relies on porn. Porn is one of the hugest industries in the world and the net is a big part of that. </font></h1></TD></Table>


The porn industry is not really that big, and it is certainly not a huge part of our economy http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

The porn industry is about a $6 Billion industry, in other words they take in about $6 Billion a year in revenues. While that might seem big, in reality it is quite small.

Some other industries by comparison:
Crafts industry (ceremics, hand-made items, quilts, etc) is a $14 Billion industry
Toy industry: $29 Billion
Music Piracy industry: $10 Billion
Alternative Medicine industry: $17 Billion

So while the porn industry might bring a 'bit' of money, the economy wouldn't really be hurt if it wasn't around http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif


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WOLFGIR 08-25-2001 09:17 PM

Interesting thought here. A thing can be ok because people will do it anyway and that might justify something people know is wrong?

Is murder ok, since people will still be murdering each other however the society tries to stop it?

Prisons arenīt doing a thing to decrease criminality. Why not shut them all down??

Sorry for this interlude, but the way of pushing problmes away from oneself is getting alot of space here, and I just wanted to ask you all if there is nothing left worth to fight for??

Arguments like this is not going to do anything. Even if people are still going to make bad things, there is still away to show tthat you are not apart of it. You can say no. To silently agree is to hold the dagger.

When the jewes were killed in Germany during the second world war people didnīt object , partly out of fear, but what if a hundred thousand germans had been connected via internet and showed up together and said "NO!" "Stop it" this is wrong!!!? How many could have been alive today? I know this is a bit far out, but still. Think about it.

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Moridin 08-26-2001 11:34 AM

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Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
Interesting thought here. A thing can be ok because people will do it anyway and that might justify something people know is wrong?

Is murder ok, since people will still be murdering each other however the society tries to stop it?

Prisons arenīt doing a thing to decrease criminality. Why not shut them all down??

Sorry for this interlude, but the way of pushing problmes away from oneself is getting alot of space here, and I just wanted to ask you all if there is nothing left worth to fight for??

Arguments like this is not going to do anything. Even if people are still going to make bad things, there is still away to show tthat you are not apart of it. You can say no. To silently agree is to hold the dagger.

When the jewes were killed in Germany during the second world war people didnīt object , partly out of fear, but what if a hundred thousand germans had been connected via internet and showed up together and said "NO!" "Stop it" this is wrong!!!? How many could have been alive today? I know this is a bit far out, but still. Think about it.


Well said Wolfgir http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Many people have died in the past, merely b/c there was not a means to find others that believed the same as you and therefore it made it difficult to organize a resistance. Sometimes it was done, but in the dark, dank rooms of basements and back alleys, always looking over their shoulder with the real threat of getting caught.




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Gabriel 08-26-2001 12:34 PM

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Originally posted by WOLFGIR:
When the jewes were killed in Germany during the second world war people didnīt object , partly out of fear, but what if a hundred thousand germans had been connected via internet and showed up together and said "NO!" "Stop it" this is wrong!!!? How many could have been alive today? I know this is a bit far out, but still. Think about it.


Well they would of been a few thouand dead people who spoke out oh wait there is!
You can't compere internet porn to geonside it like saying because that guy littered he should be impriosoned for life because if you don't why should we do it to people who have killed.
Internet porn is a relesee for those who need it much like drinking and smoking you can set controls by people will still do it, but when lesalated you can control what kind they make.


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Kaz 08-26-2001 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by Moridin:
Well said Wolfgir http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...iles/smile.gif

Many people have died in the past, merely b/c there was not a means to find others that believed the same as you and therefore it made it difficult to organize a resistance. Sometimes it was done, but in the dark, dank rooms of basements and back alleys, always looking over their shoulder with the real threat of getting caught.

And anyways who would want to resist with all the examples of people murdered who tried to? Some still did, and those people were really brave and deserve to be remembered - Hans and Sophie Scholl, for instance.

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WOLFGIR 08-27-2001 04:36 AM

Nice to see that people react at least http://www.ironworksforum.com/ubb/no...miles/wink.gif
Well I didnīt say ban all porn did I?
I just refeared to the attitude here. I know, and considered this post a lonf time, before posting it here. Maybe it should be in itīs own post but well.. here it is.

You canīt compare the extinction of jewes woth porn, but you can compare the general attitude. And well, for the other thought. People died. Yes, people who dare to say their meaning dies.
But see what their sacrifice did for us and for their people.
This year we have witnessed Milosovic in Serbia, steppoing down from presidency. We do matter if we stand up for that we believe in.

I have no problem with "normal" internetporn. Read my earlier post. But I hate and fight childporn and abusive porn. That is what I mean with it. I know that there still are going to be hoose using children, but will i accept it and sit idle and watch?? No way..


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