Ok, so charging 75$ for a previously free service is improving customer experience!?!

I know many way to express what I think of this, but none are familly friendly...

[ 02-24-2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Luvian ]

would you rather get 50 junk emails per day from hotmail based senders?

It's only one feature of hotmail, a basicaly free email addy, now it's pure webmail, shame but still free's free..


Your gonna love Microsofts plans for software, you'll no longer buy stuff off the self and be able to use it till the end of time, you'll pay a subscrition fee for everything..

Well is MS get their way, just imagine, each year paying $50 for use of your OS, and then add on the cost of extras like image editing software, movie players and all that..

The understatement is often family friendly. Something like:

"I would be inclined to disagree"
"The outcome of that study does not entirely correspond with my initial hypothesis"
or
"In my own humble opinion, that is not very nice of them"

Give it a try [img]smile.gif[/img]

I gave up on Hotmail recently. I hated all the large spam mails I received, I never got Hotmail to recognize them and it's just a crappy service. All hail Gmail, king of the new free email providers!

hey, i mean if you already have an account you can still use outlook so it's not big deal, and plus there's gmail (which rules)
and right now people'r getting invites like crazy.. i think gmail might be going public soon or somthing..

anyways, i don't really mind this, and wait for like 2 weeks, and there'll be a hack or crack that'll allow this... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

If you want an invite i think i've got some about, better than hotmail, no spam and its free! And its got huge storage. PM if anyone wants one.

dude, almost everyone's got invites, i mean i've got 50 and they refill the day after it's used..i gave 25 one day..and i had 50 again XD

so invites isn't a problem..i hope to anyone [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Gmail already went public I think. I'm pretty sure I received an email saying that.

I hope you are joking when you say it's a good idea. Irony is hard to detect on the net.

Ok, I'll give it a try.

I hope they die of cancer.

How did I do? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Not too badly. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Still using hotmail? You got gmail already don't you Luvian? Why don't you use it?

I have both. Double the po- multimedia files :D

I use gmail, but I still have lots of people that only know my hotmail one. I've been using it for something like 6 years.

i got a message in gmail where you can use its pop3 account to access it via pop3 programs like outlook or mozilla.. not bad at all

Read the message. As far as I can see, it says 3 things:-

1) Existing Hotmail accounts can still be accessed via Outlook/Outlook Express. However, as far as I know, this was never an "officially" supported aspect of Hotmail functionality anyway.

2) Outlook Live is a premium service integrated into MS Office Outlook only. Pay for it or don't - it's your own choice.

3) New free Hotmail accounts will still be available, you just won't be able to access Hotmail via Outlook/Outlook Express.

No big deal.

Yes, it's a big deal for people that like to use Outlook.

Yes, I use pop for my gmail account. But if hotmail can pull this off and make money, don't you think other email companies won't do the same?

<font face="Verdana" size="3" color="#00FF00">I have a question!! Why would someone want to pay $60 to $80 for this? Just leave Outlook separate from your hotmail and use your Outlook for business and personal mail and hotmail for contest, newsletters and all that other Jazz that you just know is going to get junk mail sent your way. If you are an internet subscriber you probably have an e-mail account to use with outlook. If you do this you will not get much junk mail in your outlook account. If people are foolish enough to pay for a service that isn't really needed or required let them, it isn't Microsoft's fault that they can make a boatload of money off people for doing little next to nothing. I mean does it really take a great deal of effort to open up your browser and go to your hotmail account. No Big Deal!!!</font>

[ 02-25-2005, 02:01 PM: Message edited by: pritchke ]

Maybe I just have a different mindset. Put it this way.

I currently use Hotmail for free and access it from Outlook Express. No effect on that account.

If I sign up for a new Hotmail account I won't be able to access it directly via Outlook Express. No biggie.

If I want to integrate Hotmail into Outlook, it's going to cost me for a premium service. It's of no use to me so I won't sign up.

Therefore I'm no worse off. As far as I'm concerned I've had and will still have, the use of an e-mail service that costs me nothing. I don't demand that it will always cost me nothing, but while it does, I'm happy to take advantage of it.

I never said it was a good idea..

I said you would [i]love[i] the idea, bassed entirely off your hotmail reaction..

Read it anyway you wish, but irony* would be incorrect in this case, I think you where going to say sarcasim, which is what I was aiming for..


*Irony, is when somthing happens too late, or after it is needed.. IE a heart transplant patient get's a compatible donor five minutes after they have a fatal heart attack (I didn't say it'd be a pleasent example, but illistrates the diffrence quite nicely)

I still don't see the problem here, despite the re-hashing of everyone's points a coupla times ;)

Those who already have hotmail will be unaffected. Those who don't have hotmail will never know the difference. They will have to use a different webmail program if outlook is vital to them.

Nope, he's correct. As are you, but in a more specific instance of it.

The problem here is that any new person that will sign up to hotmail, for whatever reason, will be unable to use outlook to see he's emails.

The person will have to:

1-open the browser, which will open to some unrelated homepage, probably see some annoying adds.
2-Click the hotmail shortcut.
3-See the login page for hotmail, so more useless adds.
4-Have to enter his email and password
5-Get to the useless "home" page, see some more adds.
6-Click on the "inbox" button, see some more add.
7-Go trough the annoying html client to read his email, having to go back and forth between emails, and seeing tons more adds.

While someone using outlook has this to do:

1-Double click the outlook icon.

Maybe I'm not affected by this, but the reason our world is in so bad shape right now is exactly because people do nothing unless something bad happen directly to them. Then they wonder why no one else is helping them...

By the way, I have 6 different email account in my outlook. It's an invaluable program to me.

Well, I've always used the web-based hotmail, and it's never been a big hassle for me. You don't have to enter your login and password if you set it up properly. You also don't see tons of ads. There's like, one or two on a page.

I can appreciate that having to pay for a service isn't 'improving customer experience', but to be fair, that's not what they said at all. They said that in order to improve customer experience in terms of spam and such, a fee would be charged so such problems could be addressed. They are under no obligation to offer this as a free service, and that they have for so long should be seen as a bonus rather than an entitlement. I think it's a bit of a stretch to liken people's apathy towards poverty and war and so on in far off lands to people doing nothing because a company is charging for services provided. And what are you doing about it anyway? Having a rant is all it seems.

You know you can create web links in much the same way as shortcuts..

Or didn't you know that..

So you can make a shortcut that targets hotmail login, simple..

You can on most browsers store login information like use names and passwords if you realy want to..


Also you could if your still usuing IE just start MSN messenger and click the new email's text, this'll get you into hotmail as well, and if you set it up right you don't have to enter your password at all..


It apparently won't effect you, so why are you complaining?

I've never used Outlook or anything like that for any of my email stuff, and I have survived just fine. [img]tongue.gif[/img] I don't see the big deal in this, quite honestly. And as Q'alooaith (that is impossible to spell ;) ), I just used MSN to get to my email.

Start emailing people using the gmail one. Telling them that's your new email.

Import your address book and send a group e-mail. Having said that, i don't know if it works on a hotmail one, but it will with ones of outlook.

Start emailing people using the gmail one. Telling them that's your new email. </font>[/QUOTE]But it won't affect him, as he already has hotmail. It is only NEW users that are affected.

So it really isn't a big problem to anyone. Especially with Gmail becoming public soon it appears...

Luvian it sounds like useless complaining to me:

Get MSN messenger, don't use it for anything but checking mail (ie. no contact persons)

Click on the link, directly into your hotmail inbox

Set spam filter on the highest level, receiving everything in junk mail unless you have it in your address list

The first month, check junk regularly, select any mails that should be in inbox and proceed

After that time, check junk mail once a week, selecting non-spam from it, if you get that there at all, put it in inbox, press EMPTY junk mail and you're done. You can do this in 1 minute.

This is not affecting me, this is affecting new members.

Raising public consience about the problem is certainly something more than just saying "there is no problem, the net is just one step closer to being paid only".