WOW CHECK OUT CRAZY HARDCORE DANCING www.santamosh.com

LOL Awesome! A good way of celebrating christmas. Shame my firefox doesn't give sound at the moment while I think it should.

Heh heh. Right on. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

@ Blind prophet - Sorry, this doesn't get my thumbs up. He looks like he's having a...fit...than moshing. While moshing alot of the time CAN BE considered having a fit, and looks almost the same, i thaught it looked like he's just punching the floor alot of the time.

@ Phillip - My firefox gave me sound, check yer speakers [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Hmm... interesting... I wouldn't worry about the sound; you didn't miss much.

wow.... thats.... uh interesting

ooooooooo kkkkkkkk what was he doing? and was he running fever, and if thats music i will stick with silence....lol

i second that XD

Wow, I got through all of 3 seconds of that. What a waste of perfectly good time!

wow what a giant nexus of negative energy from all you and just so you know its called hardcore dancing go to hardcore shows.


SUPPORT YOUR LOCAL HARDCORE BANDS!!!!!!!!

<font color=FFCCCC>Ah, no, thanks, I won't!! :D </font>

<font color=FFCCCC>Ah, no, thanks, I won't!! :D </font> </font>[/QUOTE]well then your existence in life is wasted and you should be terminated :D have a nice day

Good, hardcore gigs are always much more fun without naysayers, wimps and killjoys whining up the atmosphere.

Anybody can make a bunch of noise! If you like that sort of thing, fill your boots!

Good, hardcore gigs are always much more fun without naysayers, wimps and killjoys whining up the atmosphere. </font>[/QUOTE]YAY HIEROPHANT :D :D killjoys complaing about everything gets really annoying not that i don't <3 variol

<3 what does that mean?

Oh, and maybe you should remane yourself to "Def" Prophet? :D

its a heart :D lol sad thing is been to so many shows my hearing has droped some

Don't get me started on a linux problem [img]tongue.gif[/img] It should work with the aoss wrapper but apperently not. I never missed it really but I think I'll have to search how to make it work sometime now.

A heart? There must be a better icon for a heart?!

Don't take me too harshly on the music thing. But I really do find that acid rock stuff to be bad noise. There just doesn't seem to be any talent involved. And the problem I have with Heavy Metal is, there always seems to be than Satanic aspect to it. Iron Maiden, Ozzy, you know. Striper is the only acception I know of, but then they are Christian.

Don't get me started on bands...I can ramble forever about power metal, and i mean...forever...And i realy can't be bothered, so to prevent myself i'm not going to look at this thread again. Just for the recrod, metal is NOT *just noise*. Sure, hardcore is, but power and prog metal is NOT. PM me if you want to know more, as of now, i'm not checking this thread again.

A heart? There must be a better icon for a heart?!

Don't take me too harshly on the music thing. But I really do find that acid rock stuff to be bad noise. There just doesn't seem to be any talent involved. And the problem I have with Heavy Metal is, there always seems to be than Satanic aspect to it. Iron Maiden, Ozzy, you know. Striper is the only acception I know of, but then they are Christian. </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, and we all know only Christians can make good music! Right? Right... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

With all due respect (seriously), you have not an inkling what you're talking about, I'm afraid. Firstly, you are mixing up completely different styles. Acid rock? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] Heavy metal and hardcore are not at all the same thing. You're also way off on the "Satanic" thing. Without even going into the fact that for the bands who DO dabble with the occult, it's just an image, a way to rile up people like you and to add a dark little edge to their music, I have to ask whether it really matters what someone believes in in order to appreciate their music. I didn't think so. And as for your remark about the lack of talent in metal/hardcore bands, I am not sure whether to laugh or roll my eyes in contempt - I think I did both simultaneously and it wasn't a pretty sight. ;) I would REALLY like to see you play just a few bars of any song by, oh, Meshuggah, Cynic, Queensryche or The Mars Volta (none of which, I'm afraid, are "satanic" bands, so you can't hide behind that excuse either :D ). No talent? Are you kidding me? Some of the most inventive, complex and difficult music is being made under the banner of "Metal". Again, I'd advise you to attempt to learn just a tiny bit more about a subject before you start talking, next time.
This impassioned and heartfelt rant, by the way, was brought to you by someone who spends 90% of her music-listening time adoring classical music. You know, the kind with the Christian masses and violiny goodness? ;) Can't say I'm a brainless metal fan whose brains have long ago dribbled out of my ears from all the "noise". ;)

Going against my word, i checked the thread again. And yay, someone agrees that metal is skilled :D People like Herman Li (from dragonforce) is an AWSOME guitarist But, back onto the death metal front, You try singing like Shagrath,(dimmu borgir)
I'll bet you ANYTHING you can't. And he CAN sing normally, i don't mean in the songs where there is a different voice to his,becuase that's their bassist, 'Vortex'. I've seen a video of him live actually singing, he is brilliant. In my opinion, Dimmu Borgir, are the best death metal band, and one of the few DEATH metal bands i actually like.

Haha! Sarah, I love you so goddam hard! ;) :D [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]

Erm, I wouldn't call Dimmu death metal though. Even though "true" fans would probably disagree, to me Dimmu is pure black metal (although I haven't kept up with their latest efforts, label may not apply to those). But most people who are actually in the Norwegian scene aren't as anal about "trueness" as their fans. Oh and Shagrath.. I met him a few times. He's a nice guy. Don't think his voice is truly that stunning: here the classical fan in me has to concede that Jochen Kowalski's or Andreas Scholl's countertenors are more impressive than anything Shagrath could ever do. But then that's a crooked comparison, so I'll grant you that Shagrath has a good throat on him. And he's kinda hot too. ;)

Aaron, how hard exactly would that be...? [img]graemlins/showoff.gif[/img]

And to think: this whole arguement/discussion was started by a clip of a man dressed up as Santa. He really is an evil man. :D

Ok guys, relax. You both know that there is a lot of trash music out there. Lots of rip offs! I wasn't mixing up the types of music either but maybe you couldn't see that in my thread.

..and if you're going to post a topic expect that there may be some differences of opinion and if it's a problem, don't post at all.

Yes, my post was generalizing and that was wrong, but you gotta admit there's a lot of bad music out there today and not just the mentioned genres.
I think our standards have really lowered.

LOL, sure, wriggle yourself out of it. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
What you said WAS a huge generalisation and it's kinda lame to back out by saying that of course you only meant the "bad" bad music instead of conceding my, you have to admit, well-made points. ;)

Same goes to you. If you post something generalising and untrue, expect to be called out on it. If you can't handle that, don't post it. I am 100% relaxed - I couldn't care less what you think about any kind of music. But when I see someone spouting gross misconceptions about it, I'm only too happy to educate them. ;)
Soo, no one's not relaxing here, it's all good. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Ok, so name a few "good" hardcore, acid rock, metal and whatever you call it, bands which you think are good, and which you think are bad and why.

And I'm not backing out of anything, it's just if they all sound the same then how can I distinguish talent?

Sometimes I just post too fast without reading it over and it doesn't come out the way I want. I've had that condition for most of my life. That's why most of my posts have edits on them.

(did it again)

[ 12-18-2004, 06:54 AM: Message edited by: Variol (Farseer) Elmwood ]

More of a bit sympho-black now, but definitely still black. Don't really like it though one of those songs is really good, something with great apocalypse or something.

So hard you'll be walking funny for weeks Sarah [img]smile.gif[/img]

I imagine that there was a lot of bad music "back in the day" too. ;)

I'm of the opinion that there was a LOT of bad music back in the day from what I've heard. :D IMO standards have increased. But thats just it, it's my opinion, and you know what they're like... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

You really think so Sigmar? I find every fool with an instrument or synthysizer can cut a record today. I can't think of any new bands that are any good. But I'm open to suggestion! Don't suggest the heavy stuff though, it's not my style. Right now I have Rush, Yes, and Genesis in the car.

Oh, and we're starting our DnD campaign tomorrow. I'm playing a Halfing Bard. So if you know any good songs or fantasy type stories I can use, I'd really appreciate them.

[ 12-18-2004, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Variol (Farseer) Elmwood ]

Green Day all the way! :D

The new album is an amazing display... :D

[ 12-18-2004, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: Callum ]

To name a FEW good metal bands: Symphony X, Dream theater, Angra, Dragonforce, Stratovarius, Dimmu Borgir, Elvenking, Edguy, Sonata Arctica, Dragonland, Rhapsody, Manowar, Shadow Gallary, Hammerfall, Demons & Wizards, Axenstar, Keep of Kendassin, Iced Earth... Getting the picture? :D

[EDIT] I mean as a black/death metal singer he's one of the best. Black metal, Death metal, what ever you want to call them [img]smile.gif[/img] and [img]redface.gif[/img] HUGE jelousy of you, Even though i myself, and a guitarist, Shagrath is still a HUGE idol of mine.

[ 12-18-2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: TheGodThatFailed ]

True but you have to search for the good bands. Since I think most stuff I listen is this heavy stuff you don't like I only have a few from the top of my head. Coldplay is good but they might have been around longer. For my Pain is quite heavy on guitars but it's not really heavy if you take the whole picture. Well looking through my playlist it seems nearly all bands have been around for a good 5-10 years if not more.

Talk about not so heavy bands :rolleyes:

Do you know Battlelore?

Blast beats and other fast drum patterns - check
wall of sound - check
black metal style singing - check

Together with not so death metal lyrics I say it's black metal ;) But well it doesn't really matter much unless you don't like any of the two and you have to make clear that some bands don't fit your likings :D

[ 12-18-2004, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: philip ]

The bands i mentioned aren't heavy, not in my opinion. Well, Keep of Kendassin are, Dimmu are, but that's about it. Nah, not heard any Battlelore, i'll try some. They sound power metally, and power metal's ALWAYS good. can NEVER have enough of it :D

Sing about gold at nausea, that'll keep any dwarfs in the party happy. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

*ahem*

I don't really listen to heavy metal but the only reason I responded to your comment was because you specifed that your comment was not only directed towards the Heavy metal genre, but all types of music ("not just the mentioned genres").

Rap- New music is SO much different to the old stuff it ain't funny. The beats are now much better, the variation in lyrical stylings more obvious, and everything that isn't NWA/Snoop Dog/LL Cool J/Sugarhill Gang and Rakim is NOT completely rubbish. [img]tongue.gif[/img] You've got rap from the UK, different types of Rap in the U.S, on average the stuff put out today is much better.

"Christian" Rock hit it's peak with "Creed" btw, another new-age band (which I love).

Old "mainstream" Rock < New "mainstream" Rock

Mozart < Beethoven

The writing's on the wall man. ;)

I'm not saying the old stuff is rubbish, I lurve listening to Gun, Manowar, Spectre General and other old fellas, it's just that the average quality output is better now than it was then (especially when you're forced to endure a "Best of so and so year" mix tape, this REALLY seems to be the case. >_<).

But our differing opinions could have something to do with you being older with me, you growing up listening to your preferred music, have nostalgic memory's of the music and as a result lovin' your music more than the stuff that's released nowadays. AND the fact that I'm younger, grown up with my music, more likely to think its better for the same reasons...yadda yadda yadda

Both of our opinions are biased, we're not going to convince each other that we're "wrong". So I for one, am going to stop and direct my energies to other, more productive matters...like an Online petition. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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BTW listen to "Tenacious D", they're scientifically proven to be the best Rock band....EVVVVVAAAAAAA1!!!11!111

[ 12-18-2004, 01:18 PM: Message edited by: Sigmar ]

Hmmm Were to start martyr Ad, Between the buried and me, Glass caskit, bloodjinn, It dies today, The agony scene, Caliban, IkilledThePromQueen,The Classic Struggle.....just to name a few

A heart? There must be a better icon for a heart?!

Don't take me too harshly on the music thing. But I really do find that acid rock stuff to be bad noise. There just doesn't seem to be any talent involved. And the problem I have with Heavy Metal is, there always seems to be than Satanic aspect to it. Iron Maiden, Ozzy, you know. Striper is the only acception I know of, but then they are Christian. </font>[/QUOTE]Yeah, and we all know only Christians can make good music! Right? Right... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

With all due respect (seriously), you have not an inkling what you're talking about, I'm afraid. Firstly, you are mixing up completely different styles. Acid rock? [img]graemlins/saywhat.gif[/img] Heavy metal and hardcore are not at all the same thing. You're also way off on the "Satanic" thing. Without even going into the fact that for the bands who DO dabble with the occult, it's just an image, a way to rile up people like you and to add a dark little edge to their music, I have to ask whether it really matters what someone believes in in order to appreciate their music. I didn't think so. And as for your remark about the lack of talent in metal/hardcore bands, I am not sure whether to laugh or roll my eyes in contempt - I think I did both simultaneously and it wasn't a pretty sight. ;) I would REALLY like to see you play just a few bars of any song by, oh, Meshuggah, Cynic, Queensryche or The Mars Volta (none of which, I'm afraid, are "satanic" bands, so you can't hide behind that excuse either :D ). No talent? Are you kidding me? Some of the most inventive, complex and difficult music is being made under the banner of "Metal". Again, I'd advise you to attempt to learn just a tiny bit more about a subject before you start talking, next time.
This impassioned and heartfelt rant, by the way, was brought to you by someone who spends 90% of her music-listening time adoring classical music. You know, the kind with the Christian masses and violiny goodness? ;) Can't say I'm a brainless metal fan whose brains have long ago dribbled out of my ears from all the "noise". ;) </font>[/QUOTE]Hehe, go Mel :D While I don't share your passion for Metal etc. I can appreciate where you're coming from. I too am fed up of no-brained idiots, who come out with the "rap, sorry I mean crap (harr harr)" line every time it comes up. They will never have any idea of the level of poetry and lyrical complexity which can mostly only be found in this genre. Oh well...