<span style="color: lightblue">It's been a long road, but the end is worth it. The greatest browser in existance has hit Version One. For the uninitiated, Firefox is an alternative web browser to Internet Explorer (and better in every single way), featuring tabbed browsing, extensions & themes, and easy customisation to suit your needs. It is a derivitive of the Mozilla Suite, which offers a 'lite', non-bloated, browsing experience. It is based ont he powerful Gecko rendering engine, making it one of the most standards compliant browsers in existance (the only real competition in this regard being KHTML (Konquerer, Safari, et al), and Opera) The learning curve for users of any other browser, especially internet explorer, is nowhere as steep as many other browsers. Help topple the monopoly of a broken, buggy, browser, and help Firefox to achieve it's goal of 10% market share by the end of next year. CNN Article, Firefox 1.0.

yep i saw it on cnn as well.. ;) good job firefox. maybe this will force Microsoft to improve thier browser for the better now.

Awesome hope the debian package is finished soon [img]smile.gif[/img]

Well, I always figured the main reason why so many leaks in IE are discovered is because hackers try *a lot* harder to find any with IE than they would with Opera or Firefox - for real. ;) Still doesn't mean IE was a lot less safe than the other two upon creation, though.
With that in mind however Firefox is certainly a fantastic alternative, not in the least because of all the nifty extra features and downloadable extensions. [img]smile.gif[/img]

<span style="color: lightblue">So the most used product is instantly less secure? Apache is more used than IIS (by almost as much as IE is more used than anything else), and yet it has had only one major worm in it's lifetime, while IIS in it's shorter lifetime has had many. No, alot of the reason why IE is less secure is because it is integrated so tightly into Windows. This can make an otherwise negligible bug become a critical security flaw, because it can affect the core of your system.

LOL, knew you were going to deny it either way. Who was saying anything about the most used product? How about the least popular browser? As you have to admit that people are obviously prejudiced against IE because of its inevitable Microsoft association... IE could still be the best browser out there, and people would still go with alternatives instead. It's only human nature. ;)
Either way, I couldn't care less about going into a debate with someone who obviously spends at least 50 times more time worrying about these things than I do; so I'll just leave this thread for what it is.

I'm already using Firefox. I got a window yesterday about this. Will this just upgrade my current version of Firefox or what?

Grojlach - I have to say, IE is the pits of a browser. Microsoft haven't bothered to upgrade it in any meaningful way for the last four years whilst all its competitors have made leaps and bounds forward in technology. I'm an Opera man myself, Firefox always seemed inferior to me, but either is vastly superior to Internet Explorer. You'll return to IE on somebody elses computer and feel so constricted...

And Opera and Firefox are more secure because they take conscious decisions to keep it that way - especially not using ActiveX which is a favourite way to exploit IE. It's just a fact of life I'm afraid....there are security holes that are simply indefinitely not fixed in Internet Explorer. In Opera, when a (rare) security hole is discovered, a fix is up within 24 hours and I understand that the Firefox community usually respond in a similar time-frame. The entire attitude of the Opera and Firefox communities is completely different to Microsoft with regards to security.

And happy first birthday Firefox! [img]graemlins/happybirthday.gif[/img]

[ 11-10-2004, 06:18 AM: Message edited by: shamrock_uk ]

I am having one small problem wiht FF, when I open it, the screen shakes, other than that, I likeit, and after a few links are clicked, it becomes stable.

Okay - Constant peer pressure from you guys ;) I've downloaded and Installed Firefox. Tell me, what's so good about it? [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Stop being rude, please.

Stop being rude, please. </font>[/QUOTE]I didnt think that was rude at all Ziroc. I think it was a much better way to deal with things rather than going off on one. He's (apparently) left before he started to be rude.

I installed 5 minutes ago, been waiting for this day to arrive for the past few months, and it's been worth the wait. So far all I see of Firefox is a stabile little workhorse who's abilities I've only started to unveil. I did a few scans for information gathering, spam and the like, and Firefox rules there plain and simple. Get back to you after I've had more fun with this gizmo, c ya!

I've installed it, and for me its being pretty slow loading pages and images.

Have you guys found any new themes compatible with 1.0?
I'm using Firefox Modern atm

i've been using it for the..hmm past month i think XD

yea ver 1.0 funny ain't it, well i might need to update from the alpha or was it beta version XD

well, I just downloaded the released version, got rid of 1.0PR and have not had any trouble with it [img]smile.gif[/img]

You see what has become of us? Everything is so nice and cheery around IW, people are snapping at each other over a browser [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I installed Firefox the other day, and it really is a lot better vs. Internet Explorer. The number of pop ups is cut down to nothing, plus everything is a lot more organized than it was. Good stuff [img]smile.gif[/img]

Stop being rude, please. </font>[/QUOTE]I didnt think that was rude at all Ziroc. I think it was a much better way to deal with things rather than going off on one. He's (apparently) left before he started to be rude. </font>[/QUOTE]That is YOUR opinion.

You see what has become of us? Everything is so nice and cheery around IW, people are snapping at each other over a browser [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I installed Firefox the other day, and it really is a lot better vs. Internet Explorer. The number of pop ups is cut down to nothing, plus everything is a lot more organized than it was. Good stuff [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE];) That is why I posted. Sometimes people need to be reminded to be polite.
Beaumanoir did not get it. Next time Beaumanoir, PM me. Lets not derail the thread.

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I've downloaded it and will install it tonight! BTW, is the email program as good? I HATE outlook, and Eudora is too buggy for my huge email boxes (13000+) crashes it and corrupts the header file. :(

You see what has become of us? Everything is so nice and cheery around IW, people are snapping at each other over a browser [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I installed Firefox the other day, and it really is a lot better vs. Internet Explorer. The number of pop ups is cut down to nothing, plus everything is a lot more organized than it was. Good stuff [img]smile.gif[/img] </font>[/QUOTE]see? I told you so [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Does my opinion still count, though? ;) Bahamut's assessment was actually correct, wasn't meant to be rude; I was a bit irritated however by Lennon's somewhat elitist remarks and I guess that showed, somewhat.

[ 11-10-2004, 04:39 PM: Message edited by: Grojlach ]

You sure love to use the word 'elitist' alot. Yer obsessed with it!!! [img]smile.gif[/img] Actually, Lennon was just pointing out that it's a REALLY good alternative, and that is it more secure because it's not a Microsoft product, and that it's not targeted BECAUSE it's not as popular.

Hackers go after the browser most people use. There is no need to get all testy about it, geez.

Now back to the thread. no more discussion about this.

<span style="color: lightblue">I've only used Thunderbird briefly, because I mostly use web-based, but it was excellent then, and that was version 0.7. It even has an inbuilt, trainable, junk mail filter. I've not heard anything about it not handling large boxes, so you shouldn't have too many problems with it. [img]smile.gif[/img] And even if you do, it's always possible to report a bug, the devs do listen (unlike what you see with alot of other programs), and want to their program better. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Awesome Lennon! I will try it out for SURE then! I sure need a spam filter. I get sick of "balding, erection, get rich" BS.. lol!!

Take it from someone who knows very little about browsers. I use Firefox on the main PC and Netsc 7.2 on the other. IE is sh!t. I say that because, if I use it, it's only a matter of time before my home page becomes a XXX page and I can't change it. As a novice user, I don't know how to deal with these issues. Firefox and Netsc do not give me these problems.
And as far as crapping on MS, I think more people want to use the common stuff 'cos it's in and cool! I have some programs that won't work with my Browser like my HP Camera software. It's a drag, but I'll suffer. Maybe ver 1.0 will help this.

Now. Will someone answer my earlier question please?!

<span style="color: lightblue">The autoupdate should get you to 1.0, yes. [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thank You!
..and, by the buy, what do you cook with lemmons? I'd love some recipies!

ohh goshness!
every bug i had with version .8 is fixed!
and it has good multiple monitor support!
this is great!
thanks heaps for the link lennon

Thank You!
..and, by the buy, what do you cook with lemmons? I'd love some recipies! </font>[/QUOTE]hahahahahahahahha
i was reading over this thread


Lennon will love this!

I really do not see how competition matters when IE comes free with windows, and Firefox is a free download...

At least Opera has ads, or registering... Where is the profit?

<span style="color: lightblue">The Mozilla Foundation, which developes Firefox, is a non-profit organisation. In other words, there is no profit. At least, not in the way of money. It's much the same situation as we have here: Ziroc doesn't make any profit from providing Ironworks, so why does he provide it? And the answer is the same in both cases: satisfied users are profit enough. To me, this is a good thing - Firefox isn't a money-garnering thing like Opera, or IE. Firefox exists to satisfy its users, and to provide a standards compliant browser. If you look around, there are lots of programs like this: Open Office, GNU Ghost Script, the GIMP, GAIM, Linux, etc. In most cases, they are as good as their proprietry counterparts, in many cases they are better. Don't be put off by the fact that you don't have to pay - enjoy it.