So yesterday I decided I would do my ICT assignment since I had to boot windows for it. So I did and the fun started.

Now I've used it only one day before cause I had to do something for school then too for which I couldn't use linux and after that I just left it for a couple of months. Doesn't seem like much can go wrong isn't it?

So I boot windows. Windows automatically loads media player, why? I didn't set that. Windows creates error. Windows locks. Reboot. Same thing happens. Another reboot. Finally it goes well. HiJackThis to remove media player from startup.

Now let's go into office. Click word. Word is corrupted (so soon?) and asks for CD. Crash, reboot. Click word insert CD, error again. Error message is really useful in helping me find out what's wrong. So I go to the M$ site. My profile was corrupt and the idea was to just use another profile (yeah right). Conclusion: registry is screwed up badly. Did I mention a registry is a stupid thing anyway no need for it at all.

So what to do now, scanreg /fix should do it. Hoping that this program would work was to much to ask, it didn't do anything. So I decided to put windows over my installation. During the short period of one day it had managed to create a lot of bad files already seeing scandisk. Now I choose to just delete the backup and install it over the old installation. Hell yeah, windows can't even overwrite it's own files. Crash reboot. Try again, same error.

Format C:. Install windows. OMG it works :rolleyes:

Great fun again. Installing drivers for network card. Windows screws up driver. Have to install it again. Downloaded security fixes and some extra anti-spyware programs.

I still needed new video drivers. So I downloaded the newest drivers for my card. Windows crashes, have to delete the driver and install an old version. (Note that this driver works great in linux) Video driver finally works.

The office installation went OK, I hate the constant rebooting though.

So after a few hours I can finally start in Access and what is most beautiful is that I can use SQL so no m$. So I type in my first SQL stuff. Error and guess what, m$ has been screwing around with syntax :/ Besides annoying error messages it all goes pretty well.

And then suddenly my documents go all scrolling. Yay, close document 1, document 2 starts to scroll, close this one too, access starts to do strange stuff close access. Open HiJackThis, loads like 100s of times get an error message about full memory (no kidding). Virus scan nothing found. Somehow it changed hotkeys or something cause when I press f it opens search.

Reboot.

Everything is pretty normal. I open my documents and see the stupid thing has saved them scrolled down (did I ask for this, no why does the f&&*&*ing thing insists on doing stupid stuff)

Time busy with windows total: 12 hours
Useful time in windows : 2 hours

I hate windows... I hate how it tells me I want anything and insists that I do it the windows way. Let me decide what I do with my PC and in my programs just warn me if I want to do something stupid but let me do it if I want to.

Maybe I should just drop the subject and do a good old format c: and just learn real SQL myself...

(/rant)

Yegods. I can think of nothing further to say man. That is the WORST experience dealing with computers I've ever heard.

I feel for you man. Hope you have better experiences with it in the future.....

you reminded me of this flash which i posted a while back. i never expected it to happen to a person. hope your computer is doing ok now.

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/176198

<span style="color: lightblue">What is in the assignment that causes you to need Windows? It sounds like a database thing, and there is a cross-engine GUI at Sourceforge if you don't want to use a command line one.

Dave I try to use windows as few times as possible but I think I got too used to the stability and control I have in linux.

LOL that flash movie is awesome. Thanks harkoliar. BTW the end of that movie was just my solution.

Well I would have done it in linux if there was a program that could do everything you can do in access. The idea is to build a data system with forms and nice reports and stuff. But I saw it would come down to either a command line tool or loading it in another database program so it's a no go since it's a group project as well. I could do the queries in linux with SQL but the problem is that m$ has been changing the codes so what they label as SQL is just some sort of m$ SQL.

Everything was running yesterday when I quit so I hope it's still in a few minutes. Though I think I'll wait with installing more till the project's finished.

Good thing is that if it doesn't go bad again I think I might start playing some other games than nwn again.

<span style="color: lightblue">More games than NWN can run on Linux ;) WINE supports most decent RPGs, including the BGs, the IWDs, and PS:T. Doom 3 and Halflife both run natively, I think ( I know Doom 3 does - the Linux-compatable release was mentioned on #linux on gamesurge - or maybe it was slashdot, or freenode. One of them).

I've just been too lazy last time to do BG with wine. Though by now I think I might have too little space to copy the CDs to my HD (was needed in some tutorial) cause I ripped my CDs in .wav format :D

Did you do that in wine? Did it take a long time to figure out. I've got wine downloaded already.

<span style="color: lightblue">Unfortunately, the only computer my over-restrictive mother has let me put Linux on is my laptop. It has a 6GB harddrive, so BG2 takes up half the harddrive. Plus a file system, OS, Open Office, and I don't have enough space to do anything... so, I haven't tried. It also doesn't help much that I only have three Linux distros at hand: an old version of Mandrake that refuses to update GLIBC - RPM reports conficts with older versions of things that are being installed simulataneously, and I regretted it sorely when I took the advice someone on Mozillazine gave me and used --force...
Another is a recent version of Lycorus, which refuses to run. I run the shellscript on it, and it generates errors... probably needs a newer GLIBC.
And the third is Fedora Core on DVD. I don't have a DVD drive...

man, that's just so unfair for one person!
you see they even want you to use windows.
they teach you to use it an buy it! brainwash complete .......

Your just stubborn, len, Your mother has perfectly legitemate reasons and you argue with everything she has to say. And you only argue because for some reason you think a few "security holes" makes windows useless.

Uhh, seeing as your king of Baldurs Gate, I would have thought that you would know that it is possible to NOT do a full install, even your not so unfit that you cant change a cd.

<span style="color: lightblue">Surely, Jarrad, you know me better than this by now. I do not think Windows is useless because of a "few" security holes. For one, it's more than a few (it doesn't help that I don't have either service pack), but lets not get into that. It hides everything from the user (ever configured Windows at kernel level? Thought not.) , prevents me from booting to a command line without jumping through hoops, has only a basic command line to offer once I'm there, and forces me to use a graphical interface for things as rudimentary as text editing. But still, I have never thought Windows useless - IE, yes; Windows Explorer, maybe; Windows as an OS is bearable and would be excellent with a few design improvements. I just don't like it. I prefer Linux, because it is everything I want from an OS, plus none. And, if Mum had such legitimate reasons, how come she's never told me any? And how come I'm not even allowed to set it up as a dual boot?

<span style="color: lightblue">Firstly, I am by no means king of Baldur's Gate. That title is best shared between Dundee and SixOfSpades. And, I have no idea how well a non-full install will work. Especially running it through something like WINE, which I know almost nothing about yet.

I want my choice of Operating System. I don't like Windows, and I still can't understand why people have problems with that. I don't force Linux down your throat or my Mother's, and so I don't think I deserve to have Windows forced down mine.

When everme or luke mention the word Windows, you make a stupid "shuddering" noise and complain about how much "useless" stuff it has in it.
Windows caters for all users, it Graphical interface is there to help people who dont know how to use a computer, learn.
You seem to think that everything that is either: not free or not open source is dodgy, and thats what you tell us.

What better time to learn??? Ok, well after exams maybe...

No one has problems with it, its not that you dont like Windows, its that you hate it without reason, and make fun of everything that is wrong with it, none of us have EVER made fun of anything wrong with Linux

Uhhhh, you constantly try to convince your mother that it is the BEST operating system. And no-one is forcing windows down your throat, its simple, if you dont like it DONT USE IT, its not your computer, its your mothers, so she has the right not to want another OS on there...I wouldnt put Barbie funhouse on my computer just because my sister said it was a good game.....well maybe [img]tongue.gif[/img]
So if you want Linux on your computer, then get a job and go and buy your own.


*EDIT, hmmm I think we should stop there, its obvios that I ma right and this is going to seem to most people like an argument.

[ 10-25-2004, 07:43 AM: Message edited by: Hivetyrant ]

I actually had this discussion with lennon the other day, about free choice in things, you are both basically saying the same thing but not listening to the other person.
Lennon is saying Linux is good, but he has never said you have to use it, he just (strongly) reccomended it, and provided support for his argument which it looks like you interpreted as him forcefully telling you to use it.
Jarrad, you see no need for change, as windows in good enough for what you want.
And linux is good enough for Lennon, and maybe he wants to use it on his desktop pc, which might be nice for him, and i do feel that it being his computer he should be able to do what he wants with it.

Personally, i'm happy with windows, for me it was free so that's irrelevent anyway [img]tongue.gif[/img]

But it isnt his computer, and that is my main point.
Oh and I do agree that Linux is good, im not against it, but im against him always blasting windows for petty things like "having a useless desktop" and so on.

lol, me and Hons have this argument with lennon at least once a week. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sorry Philip if we have destroyed your thread.
Hmm, maybe there should be a thread for arguments about this... :D

i like the desktop, and if you want my opinion, i trialled linux and i didn't like it, and i went back to xp.

*shudders* Sounds like a horrible experience. I hate it when that happens. Days like that is why I stopped taking network admin classes.

I'd switch to Linux myself if it wasn't for the fact that I regularly managed to crash it while using it at network administrator school. (not kidding, it'd last for about a week, then it'd crash so badly I had to format c: and reinstall...and then there is the time I had to reinstall thirteen times before the install finally worked completely)

Windows seems to be everywhere, though. Every place I've worked at or gone to school at has it installed. While it works fine for me, XP in particular is a resource hog on my home system, and I would have liked to have the choice. But oh, well, I'm stuck with Windows for now. Maybe sometime I'll get up the guts to try Linux again. Just need to learn a bit more about it, I think.

[quote]Originally posted by Hivetyrant:

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Originally posted by Intrepid: Sorry Philip if we have destroyed your thread. Hmm, maybe there should be a thread for arguments about this... :D

No that's ok [img]smile.gif[/img] Now we're at it Ill jump in as well :D

Windows is OK if you just want a desktop. If you want more you'll start see the differences. Like lennon said, the command line and configurability are great. There are so many choice and you can configure anything you want. Also it gives useful error messages and doesn't try to prevent you from things you might not want. Security is just as good as you want it to be in either linux or windows and in both you have to do something for it but the linux model is better.

Most easy linux distro's use KDE as desktop that's really bloated. If you try again you should have a look at www.linuxquestions.org forums and if you start with a dual boot you can always switch back and learn at your own pace [img]smile.gif[/img]

Thank you, Phillip. I'll definitely give it a try when and if I get a better computer than this one. I joke that Linux doesn't like me, but I probably did something I shouldn't have.

lol, me and Hons have this argument with lennon at least once a week. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Sorry Philip if we have destroyed your thread.
Hmm, maybe there should be a thread for arguments about this... :D </font>[/QUOTE]no i mean about the right to have a choice, and not having stuff forced on you.
Not specifically linux/windows, althought that was mentioned.