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Stormymystic 09-24-2004 04:06 PM

I was riding my bicycle in front of our home, and was almost attacked by...a copperhead :/ of course I paniced and was unsure how to get off my bike, and kill it with out it getting me first. it had already lunged at me and missed me by mere inches. and was going after the neighborhood cat. my worst thought was we could not catch it before the kids got home from school. I called my husband on the phone, sicne I had my cell phone with me, and told him to come kill it. after about 20 minutes of trying, it is no longer a snake. I am just worried now that there might be a nest if it was this far up in my yard... has anyone else had this happen before?

Gxc 09-24-2004 04:13 PM

wow, thats crazy, never happened to me around my house there arent many snakes or anything..

johnny 09-24-2004 04:19 PM

You ugly evil wench, i've contacted PETA and you'll pay for this. :D

Dave_the_quack 09-24-2004 04:19 PM

Copperhead... yikes! Im just glad it didnt get you Stormy. IW wouldnt be the same. For you and your kid's sake, I hope there is no such nest.

Timber Loftis 09-24-2004 04:25 PM

Yeah, I've run across a copperhead or 50 in my time. They have no fear -- crazy snakes. I'm glad I don't live in snake territory anymore. Hiking in the trails and backcountry of the south you learn that they are VERY prevalent.

If you killed it, I'm sure you are aware that they will slither and crawl around for hours after they're dead -- especially if you take a hoe or mattock and take their head off (my preferred way of offing the little buggers). You should put something around the slithering dead body to contain it and to keep the family kitty from doing what family kitties do (play with it).

Make sure you know what kind of snake you're killing. I'm sure you do, just mentioning it. I've seen someone kill a black snake out of ignorance -- which really sucks since they will hunt copperheads for you.

[ 09-24-2004, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: Timber Loftis ]

Stormymystic 09-24-2004 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny:
You ugly evil wench, i've contacted PETA and you'll pay for this. :D
it was self defense [img]tongue.gif[/img] and I actually wasn't the one who killed it ;)

Lady Sedai 09-24-2004 04:41 PM

Yeah, Stormy...they're all over down here in Georgia.

But I do my best *not* to kill them when I can avoid it.

I know some people have a horrid fear of snakes, but my mother has had several in her yard over the years and I've learned to not be afraid - just be respectful.

Unless you find any more in your yard, it was probably just a passerby and not a nest, but check around fallen logs/limbs and leaf litter where they like to hole up - but poke around with a looooong stick.

When my mom had 3 or four in her yard of varying sizes, we figured a "momma" copperhead had nested.

Instead of killing them (they at least eat voles, moles and field mice as well as chipmunks (which have caused a great deal of damage to my mother's yard over the years) and other little critters), I go out and "wrangle" them. You can use a long stick and a pillow case. For a couple of smaller ones, I got them into a mason jar with no trouble.

I then "relocated" them to an uninhabited area by one of our creeks.

But I fully understand your reaction to it. I'd kill it in a heartbeat if it were going after someone or a pet.

[ 09-24-2004, 04:42 PM: Message edited by: Lady Sedai ]

Stormymystic 09-24-2004 04:53 PM

the only reason we did kill it other than it was going after the cat, is because there are alot of young kids around here, and most do not know how dangerous these snakes are. and we knew it was a deadly snake by the coloring and shape of it's head, I was just not sure of the type. my husband was the one who told me it was a copperhead. of course when you are worried if it has bitten you, the last thing you think of is what kind it is ;) I would not know how to live anywhere else though TL, this has always been my home, it has just been years since I saw a snake up close. but like my neighbor and husband both said, because we live by a marshy area with a creek bed behind us, it is not going to be the last one we see either :( I just hope my kids are not as crazy ads I was at their age...I once picked up a baby copperhead by the tail and carried it around like that for awhile.....then gave it to my mom and told her it was an earthworm :D and it never bit me....

Luvian 09-24-2004 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stormymystic:
the only reason we did kill it other than it was going after the cat, is because there are alot of young kids around here, and most do not know how dangerous these snakes are. and we knew it was a deadly snake by the coloring and shape of it's head, I was just not sure of the type. my husband was the one who told me it was a copperhead. of course when you are worried if it has bitten you, the last thing you think of is what kind it is ;) I would not know how to live anywhere else though TL, this has always been my home, it has just been years since I saw a snake up close. but like my neighbor and husband both said, because we live by a marshy area with a creek bed behind us, it is not going to be the last one we see either :( I just hope my kids are not as crazy ads I was at their age...I once picked up a baby copperhead by the tail and carried it around like that for awhile.....then gave it to my mom and told her it was an earthworm :D and it never bit me....
How did she react?

spydar 09-24-2004 05:01 PM

did you know that a decapitated snake can still envenomate (sp??) victims for hours after it's dead? and that a snake can fit into any hole or crack it can squeeze it's head through (wich can be very small since their jaws aren't fused like ours)?

where I grew up the only snakes around were piddly little garter snakes that have no venom and are maybe a foot or so long. I never saw one though, and have never seen a rattle snake, which can be found just an or so south of where I live now. I like snakes, but I'da probably freaked out too if one just completely caught me by surprise like that. hell, I react that way to an ant crawling on me, but those buggers are just gross.

[ 09-24-2004, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: spydar ]

Stormymystic 09-24-2004 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Stormymystic:
the only reason we did kill it other than it was going after the cat, is because there are alot of young kids around here, and most do not know how dangerous these snakes are. and we knew it was a deadly snake by the coloring and shape of it's head, I was just not sure of the type. my husband was the one who told me it was a copperhead. of course when you are worried if it has bitten you, the last thing you think of is what kind it is ;) I would not know how to live anywhere else though TL, this has always been my home, it has just been years since I saw a snake up close. but like my neighbor and husband both said, because we live by a marshy area with a creek bed behind us, it is not going to be the last one we see either :( I just hope my kids are not as crazy ads I was at their age...I once picked up a baby copperhead by the tail and carried it around like that for awhile.....then gave it to my mom and told her it was an earthworm :D and it never bit me....

How did she react? </font>[/QUOTE]who my mom? how would you expect her to react? she took it from me, then proceeded to squish it's head on the ground, and it was just a baby, lol

Felix The Assassin 09-24-2004 06:01 PM

<font color=cccccc>How far from the water are you Stormy? Copperheads, as you pointed out are flat out atrocious, normally travel in groups, *Keep and eye out for the other*. What lies between you and the water? And do you have any just off the ground sheds, or wood stacks? What about rocks?

I won't kill rattlers, or any non poisonus snakes, but either version of the moccasin is "open season".</font>

T-D-C 09-24-2004 06:01 PM

I've had the same type of experence with a red Belly Black snake when we were building our house.

I lifed up a tarp and wham thissnake comes charing out. Lucky it didn't bite me but I tell you what it got the heart beating!

Jorath Calar 09-24-2004 06:02 PM

Worse than this?

A pack of lions... who had been starved for 3 weeks, hopped on angels dust... you'd welcome a snake anytime after finding that I think... [img]tongue.gif[/img]

Seriously though, i'm glad you caught it before it caught your kids... or your cat [img]smile.gif[/img]

Stormymystic 09-24-2004 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin:
<font color=cccccc>How far from the water are you Stormy? Copperheads, as you pointed out are flat out atrocious, normally travel in groups, *Keep and eye out for the other*. What lies between you and the water? And do you have any just off the ground sheds, or wood stacks? What about rocks?

I won't kill rattlers, or any non poisonus snakes, but either version of the moccasin is "open season".</font>

not very far, and there are woods, and yeah we have 2 sheds off ground too :/ and quite a few big rocks around :( plus, we live in a trailer, which is raised off the ground too...and like I said it is marshy here.

[ 09-24-2004, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: Stormymystic ]

Luvian 09-24-2004 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stormymystic:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Luvian:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Stormymystic:
the only reason we did kill it other than it was going after the cat, is because there are alot of young kids around here, and most do not know how dangerous these snakes are. and we knew it was a deadly snake by the coloring and shape of it's head, I was just not sure of the type. my husband was the one who told me it was a copperhead. of course when you are worried if it has bitten you, the last thing you think of is what kind it is ;) I would not know how to live anywhere else though TL, this has always been my home, it has just been years since I saw a snake up close. but like my neighbor and husband both said, because we live by a marshy area with a creek bed behind us, it is not going to be the last one we see either :( I just hope my kids are not as crazy ads I was at their age...I once picked up a baby copperhead by the tail and carried it around like that for awhile.....then gave it to my mom and told her it was an earthworm :D and it never bit me....

How did she react? </font>[/QUOTE]who my mom? how would you expect her to react? she took it from me, then proceeded to squish it's head on the ground, and it was just a baby, lol </font>[/QUOTE]If you had given it to my mother, she would have shrieked loud enough to be heard in the next city, and she would probably have managed to climb on the roof of the house... :D

Stormymystic 09-24-2004 09:24 PM

LOL! I imagine my mother would have too, if not for the fact that she acted before she thought. I was about 4 or 5 years old at the time, so it was kind of a shock to her system to find her little girl playing with snakes :D

Kakero 09-24-2004 09:45 PM

Ahh...Snakies. Marvelous creature aren't they? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Being a former pet owner of a King Cobra. An encounter with a snake out there somewhat doesn't frightned me. I mean since I owned a King, other types of snakes seems inferior to me. :D
I had my fair share of encounter with snakes ( Python , Spitting Cobra, Cobra , Grass Snake etc )Usually I just run home and collect my King Cobra and charge back to the scene to see if the snake is stupid enough to just stay there. :D

/)eathKiller 09-24-2004 09:49 PM

Well from what i've seen as Snakes they're mostly solitary. But in the US i gess they construct nests, so there is a possiblity. :( In Cuba we just have racers and boas though. Nothing venomous. It's just every time i've ever seen a snake it's been the only snake of its kind anyone's seen in a long time.

aleph_null1 09-24-2004 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Luvian:
If you had given it to my mother, she would have shrieked loud enough to be heard in the next city, and she would probably have managed to climb on the roof of the house... :D
My mom would've ripped its head off & cackled with glee at it :D

Felix The Assassin 09-24-2004 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kakero:
Ahh...Snakies. Marvelous creature aren't they? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Being a former pet owner of a King Cobra. An encounter with a snake out there somewhat doesn't frightned me. I mean since I owned a King, other types of snakes seems inferior to me. :D
I had my fair share of encounter with snakes ( Python , Spitting Cobra, Cobra , Grass Snake etc )Usually I just run home and collect my King Cobra and charge back to the scene to see if the snake is stupid enough to just stay there. :D

<font color=cccccc>I guess you have yet to encounter a North American moccasin. You know that cable channel called Discovery? Yea, the one where the alligator and the water snake are locked in a death match where there is no survivor? That's a Moccasin, FEARLESS!
Have you ever encountered the SW Asain desert cobra?
What about being chased by a 'swarm' of SW Asian desert vipers? I'm talking *gang, pack, swarm* whatever word you like to describe 100's of snakes of one 1 type in a pack, on the hunt.

Don't get me wrong, the king is cool and all, but from what I understand, it does have fear (how else could it be a pet), and surely it can be out numbered.</font>

Kakero 09-24-2004 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Felix The Assassin:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kakero:
Ahh...Snakies. Marvelous creature aren't they? [img]tongue.gif[/img] Being a former pet owner of a King Cobra. An encounter with a snake out there somewhat doesn't frightned me. I mean since I owned a King, other types of snakes seems inferior to me. :D
I had my fair share of encounter with snakes ( Python , Spitting Cobra, Cobra , Grass Snake etc )Usually I just run home and collect my King Cobra and charge back to the scene to see if the snake is stupid enough to just stay there. :D

<font color=cccccc>I guess you have yet to encounter a North American moccasin. You know that cable channel called Discovery? Yea, the one where the alligator and the water snake are locked in a death match where there is no survivor? That's a Moccasin, FEARLESS!
Have you ever encountered the SW Asain desert cobra?
What about being chased by a 'swarm' of SW Asian desert vipers? I'm talking *gang, pack, swarm* whatever word you like to describe 100's of snakes of one 1 type in a pack, on the hunt.

Don't get me wrong, the king is cool and all, but from what I understand, it does have fear (how else could it be a pet), and surely it can be out numbered.</font>
</font>[/QUOTE]Maybe you right Felix. But unfortunately the Windlife Department took my snake away so I can't find out how good mine is against those you mentioned. :(

Megabot 09-24-2004 11:15 PM

Find the nest and poisend them then they can taste their own medicine! :D

coyote696 09-25-2004 12:08 PM

this was the first copperhead I had seen in a long time and it was about a 3 footer, and yes I killed it and when it was dead I killed it some more, water moccasins are not welcome anywhere around me.

About 4 months ago a man here in Little Rock saw a box on the side of the street in a residential nieghborhood, it was marked VENOMOUS SNAKES DO NOT OPEN> this should have given this guy a clue, but being the curious type he opened it to have a King cobra raise out and look him in the eye, inside the box were 1 king cobra, 1 pit viper, 1
green viper, 1 black momba and 2 other extremely venomous snakes. this was found less than a block from a school and a playground where small children were playing. the owner of the snakes was found the same day. however he was not as lucky as the guy that found the box.

Lady Sedai 09-25-2004 02:07 PM

Because that was such a surprising story, Stormy, I went and googled an article about that incident.

Here's a linky for anyone else interested in what happened. [img]smile.gif[/img]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3738185.stm

And some more info on the incident, too:

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0504/148628.html

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0504/147062.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141598/posts

And just for the sake of completeness...and a bizarre twist, LOL:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=617292004

That last one is just...odd.

[ 09-25-2004, 02:16 PM: Message edited by: Lady Sedai ]

Stormymystic 09-25-2004 03:25 PM

thanks for the links, I had posted a little about it after it happened, but never got any further details on it [img]smile.gif[/img] oh and that was my husband that time Lady Sedai


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